A computer components & hardware forum. HardwareBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » HardwareBanter forum » General Hardware & Peripherals » Printers
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

HP 2450 -- Poor Printer, Expensive Ink & Poon Online & Phone support



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old March 31st 16, 02:52 AM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Tony
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 175
Default Hot Laser Printer

"Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney" wrote:
"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do not do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.


Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred


This is another problem with laser printers that we don't have with ink jet.

It is not a problem, it is improper use. Ink printers have their issues.
Tony

  #12  
Old March 31st 16, 08:10 PM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Fred McKenzie
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 158
Default Hot Laser Printer

In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do not do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.


Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred

You cannot adjust the temperature on all laser printers but those where you
can
are controlled from the driver by selecting the media type (usually). Does
the
driver have an envelope media type? This may not be the smae setting where
you
tell the printer what size of paper is in the tray; it may be a different
setting where you tell the printer what type (not size) of media you are
using,
Also, make sure you use envelopes that are designed for laser printers (or
photocopiers), they have a higher temperature tolerance. If you select the
wrong "type" various things can happen like paper curling too much (common
with
smaller paper sizes because the grain runs the wrong way for instance). I
have
seen several printers ruined because people printed on to transparencies that
were not designed for use with laser printers.
Tony


Tony-

Thanks for your insight. I am using the "Envelope" media type in the
printer setup. I wonder which choice might use a lower temperature?
I'll look for something really flimsy!

In the case of things like transparencies, I am careful to purchase
media to match the printer. I was not aware that a similar choice was
available for envelopes! I'll check with the office supply store to see
if they have some specifically for Laser printing.

Fred
  #13  
Old April 1st 16, 11:59 PM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Snuffy \Hub Cap\ McKinney
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 8
Default Hot Laser Printer

"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do not do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.

Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred

You cannot adjust the temperature on all laser printers but those where you
can
are controlled from the driver by selecting the media type (usually). Does
the
driver have an envelope media type? This may not be the smae setting where
you
tell the printer what size of paper is in the tray; it may be a different
setting where you tell the printer what type (not size) of media you are
using,
Also, make sure you use envelopes that are designed for laser printers (or
photocopiers), they have a higher temperature tolerance. If you select the
wrong "type" various things can happen like paper curling too much (common
with
smaller paper sizes because the grain runs the wrong way for instance). I
have
seen several printers ruined because people printed on to transparencies that
were not designed for use with laser printers.
Tony


Tony-

Thanks for your insight. I am using the "Envelope" media type in the
printer setup. I wonder which choice might use a lower temperature?
I'll look for something really flimsy!

In the case of things like transparencies, I am careful to purchase
media to match the printer. I was not aware that a similar choice was
available for envelopes! I'll check with the office supply store to see
if they have some specifically for Laser printing.

Fred


Yep, another problem with lasers is having to use specialty high cost paper. I used decent quality 20 & 24 pound bond with the Samslung Model POS I had and it ran so hot that the paper curled. After running more than about 20 sheets, it smelled like a smoldering incinerator full of cardboard.

The only advantage of using laser over ink jet that I see is with the large machines used at commercial printers and copy shops. For home use, my money is still on ink jet.

And like I say, for occasional high quality color prints, I send it to a commercial shop.

  #14  
Old April 2nd 16, 02:37 AM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Tony
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 175
Default Hot Laser Printer

"Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney" wrote:
"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do not
do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.

Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred
You cannot adjust the temperature on all laser printers but those where
you
can
are controlled from the driver by selecting the media type (usually). Does
the
driver have an envelope media type? This may not be the smae setting where
you
tell the printer what size of paper is in the tray; it may be a different
setting where you tell the printer what type (not size) of media you are
using,
Also, make sure you use envelopes that are designed for laser printers (or
photocopiers), they have a higher temperature tolerance. If you select the
wrong "type" various things can happen like paper curling too much (common
with
smaller paper sizes because the grain runs the wrong way for instance). I
have
seen several printers ruined because people printed on to transparencies
that
were not designed for use with laser printers.
Tony


Tony-

Thanks for your insight. I am using the "Envelope" media type in the
printer setup. I wonder which choice might use a lower temperature?
I'll look for something really flimsy!

In the case of things like transparencies, I am careful to purchase
media to match the printer. I was not aware that a similar choice was
available for envelopes! I'll check with the office supply store to see
if they have some specifically for Laser printing.

Fred


Yep, another problem with lasers is having to use specialty high cost paper.
I used decent quality 20 & 24 pound bond with the Samslung Model POS I had and
it ran so hot that the paper curled. After running more than about 20 sheets,
it smelled like a smoldering incinerator full of cardboard.

You don't need high cost paper for text printing just the cheapest is fine,
where did you get that idea? What you are describing has never been documented
and I have never seen it - if it happened it was a faulty printer.

The only advantage of using laser over ink jet that I see is with the large
machines used at commercial printers and copy shops.

Cost per page for text printing is cheaper with a monochrome laser - there is
no question about that.
For home use, my money is still on ink jet.

You have said that several times and I repeat it is horses for courses. For
some things Ink printers are best for others lasers are best. It is really that
simple.

And like I say, for occasional high quality color prints, I send it to a
commercial shop.


Tony

  #15  
Old April 2nd 16, 03:49 AM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Snuffy \Hub Cap\ McKinney
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 8
Default Hot Laser Printer

"Tony" lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote in message news
"Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney" wrote:
"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do not
do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.

Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred
You cannot adjust the temperature on all laser printers but those where
you
can
are controlled from the driver by selecting the media type (usually). Does
the
driver have an envelope media type? This may not be the smae setting where
you
tell the printer what size of paper is in the tray; it may be a different
setting where you tell the printer what type (not size) of media you are
using,
Also, make sure you use envelopes that are designed for laser printers (or
photocopiers), they have a higher temperature tolerance. If you select the
wrong "type" various things can happen like paper curling too much (common
with
smaller paper sizes because the grain runs the wrong way for instance). I
have
seen several printers ruined because people printed on to transparencies
that
were not designed for use with laser printers.
Tony

Tony-

Thanks for your insight. I am using the "Envelope" media type in the
printer setup. I wonder which choice might use a lower temperature?
I'll look for something really flimsy!

In the case of things like transparencies, I am careful to purchase
media to match the printer. I was not aware that a similar choice was
available for envelopes! I'll check with the office supply store to see
if they have some specifically for Laser printing.

Fred




Yep, another problem with lasers is having to use specialty high cost paper.
I used decent quality 20 & 24 pound bond with the Samslung Model POS I had and
it ran so hot that the paper curled. After running more than about 20 sheets,
it smelled like a smoldering incinerator full of cardboard.


You don't need high cost paper for text printing just the cheapest is fine,
where did you get that idea? What you are describing has never been documented
and I have never seen it - if it happened it was a faulty printer.


Same thing happened with cheapest 20# used for day to day printing, and higher quality 24# paper I use for business.

Whether this has been documented or not, this is the reason I got rid of it. I should have known when I bought it that it was a crappy printer because they were marked $150 - on sale for $50. I got my money out of it - when the cartridge was used up, I threw it out.


The only advantage of using laser over ink jet that I see is with the large
machines used at commercial printers and copy shops.

Cost per page for text printing is cheaper with a monochrome laser - there is
no question about that.
For home use, my money is still on ink jet.

You have said that several times and I repeat it is horses for courses. For
some things Ink printers are best for others lasers are best. It is really that
simple.

And like I say, for occasional high quality color prints, I send it to a
commercial shop.


Tony

  #16  
Old April 2nd 16, 04:33 AM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Tony
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 175
Default Hot Laser Printer

"Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney" wrote:
"Tony" lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote in message
news
"Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney" wrote:
"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:

Besides the toner, the Samslung laser I had would heat the paper up
so
hot
that it curled - amost too hot to touch when it hit the output tray.
A very small number of laser printers do that, the vast majority do
not
do
so
provided the user sets the driver up correctly.

Tony-

My problem is envelopes being sealed by the laser printer.

Envelopes printed on an old HP LJ 2605dn would stick, but the flaps
could easily be loosened.

Envelopes printed on a newer HP LJ Pro M451DN stick fairly tight. The
flaps can usually be pried open, but the envelope gets wrinkled and
sometimes it pulls up the surface of the paper.

I am printing from a Macintosh with the latest system. I looked
through
settings in the printer's web server, but did not see anything that
might affect temperature.

Do you know of another way to adjust temperature? I am worried that
it
might prevent toner from sticking to the paper if it was lowered too
much.

Fred
You cannot adjust the temperature on all laser printers but those where
you
can
are controlled from the driver by selecting the media type (usually).
Does
the
driver have an envelope media type? This may not be the smae setting
where
you
tell the printer what size of paper is in the tray; it may be a
different
setting where you tell the printer what type (not size) of media you
are
using,
Also, make sure you use envelopes that are designed for laser printers
(or
photocopiers), they have a higher temperature tolerance. If you select
the
wrong "type" various things can happen like paper curling too much
(common
with
smaller paper sizes because the grain runs the wrong way for instance).
I
have
seen several printers ruined because people printed on to
transparencies
that
were not designed for use with laser printers.
Tony

Tony-

Thanks for your insight. I am using the "Envelope" media type in the
printer setup. I wonder which choice might use a lower temperature?
I'll look for something really flimsy!

In the case of things like transparencies, I am careful to purchase
media to match the printer. I was not aware that a similar choice was
available for envelopes! I'll check with the office supply store to see
if they have some specifically for Laser printing.

Fred



Yep, another problem with lasers is having to use specialty high cost
paper.
I used decent quality 20 & 24 pound bond with the Samslung Model POS I had
and
it ran so hot that the paper curled. After running more than about 20
sheets,
it smelled like a smoldering incinerator full of cardboard.


You don't need high cost paper for text printing just the cheapest is fine,
where did you get that idea? What you are describing has never been
documented
and I have never seen it - if it happened it was a faulty printer.


Same thing happened with cheapest 20# used for day to day printing, and higher
quality 24# paper I use for business.

Whether this has been documented or not, this is the reason I got rid of it.
I should have known when I bought it that it was a crappy printer because they
were marked $150 - on sale for $50. I got my money out of it - when the
cartridge was used up, I threw it out.

As i would have done also. Clearly a bad printer, either faulty or not well
designed. But not at all typical of laser printers.
Laser printers do not need special papers except for special uses (like
transparencies) and ink printers often need special paper also for
transparencies and photo work; for normal monochrome (or even colour) printing
a laser uses standard cheap paper. In fact a colour laser produces better
quality prints on standard/cheap paper than most inkjets will on the same paper
because of by design and always cheaper.


The only advantage of using laser over ink jet that I see is with the large
machines used at commercial printers and copy shops.

Cost per page for text printing is cheaper with a monochrome laser - there
is
no question about that.
For home use, my money is still on ink jet.

You have said that several times and I repeat it is horses for courses. For
some things Ink printers are best for others lasers are best. It is really
that
simple.

And like I say, for occasional high quality color prints, I send it to a
commercial shop.


Tony


Tony

  #17  
Old April 3rd 16, 10:12 PM posted to comp.periphs.printers
Stuart[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 54
Default Hot Laser Printer

In article ,
Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote:
As i would have done also. Clearly a bad printer, either faulty or not
well designed.


Indeed.

I purchased a "reconditioned" Dell 2330dn and, as far as we in my
household are concerned, it's the workhorse of printing. Runs of 100+
sides sometimes (it's full Duplex) and never any bother. For paper I just
use whatever is "on offer" at Staples.

The Epson Inkjet is used only when colour is essential otherwise it would
be far too expensive.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Online or phone Watching Robots Dell Computers 7 January 30th 08 03:40 AM
Least expensive printer Sudy Nim Printers 11 October 18th 07 04:07 AM
Pet Peeve: Very Poor MS Online Help Journey Dell Computers 0 July 24th 07 02:51 AM
new printer- Magicolor 2450 - opinions Printers 7 June 3rd 05 11:32 PM
Phone Vendor - Mobile Republic (Worst ever online shop) Gameface UK Computer Vendors 3 June 14th 04 11:32 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 HardwareBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.