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"Seagate Ships World’s First 8TB HardDrives"
VanguardLH writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. |
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"Seagate Ships World˘s First 8TB Hard Drives"
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. |
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"Seagate Ships World's First 8TB Hard Drives"
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rives#IBM_3340 Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. Wrong. |
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"Seagate Ships World’s First 8TB HardDrives"
VanguardLH writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) Please reread my original question above -- I was asking specifically about removeable platters in Winchester drives. I never said I was unfamiliar with removeable platters. snip History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. I have never encountered "Winchester" applied to anything but drives with the heads sealed in with the platters. It would have been very weird for that to have happened, since that was the whole *point* of the Winchester drive. |
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"Seagate Ships World's First 8TB Hard Drives"
Rod Speed wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rives#IBM_3340 Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. Wrong. I didn't have to read the part that mentioned "The name stuck in the USSR, Hungary and possibly other countries as an umbrella term for all hard drives; it is still in wide use today." Happened, too, in the USA. Guess you didn't have many contacts back then outside your employer. |
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"Seagate Ships World˘s First 8TB Hard Drives"
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Please reread my original question above -- I was asking specifically about removeable platters in Winchester drives. I never said I was unfamiliar with removeable platters. Yep, you're right. There were Winchester drives where the heads were in the platter package. The whole thing could be removed. About the only time I saw that happen (obviously my experience doesn't encompass every conceivable situation) was when a defective platter/head package got removed to get replaced with a new one. So, yes, just the electronics (and motor) would be left behind after removing the platter/head package. It provided modularity so the whole washing machine didn't have to get replaced. |
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"Seagate Ships World's First 8TB Hard Drives"
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rives#IBM_3340 Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. Wrong. I didn't have to read the part that mentioned "The name stuck in the USSR, Hungary and possibly other countries as an umbrella term for all hard drives; it is still in wide use today." Happened, too, in the USA. Guess you didn't have many contacts back then outside your employer. Wrong. |
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"Seagate Ships World's First 8TB Hard Drives"
Rod Speed wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rives#IBM_3340 Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. Wrong. I didn't have to read the part that mentioned "The name stuck in the USSR, Hungary and possibly other countries as an umbrella term for all hard drives; it is still in wide use today." Happened, too, in the USA. Guess you didn't have many contacts back then outside your employer. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wow, what a great conversationalist you ... aren't. Just feeling a bit trollish today? |
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"Seagate Ships World's First 8TB Hard Drives"
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Joe Pfeiffer wrote: VanguardLH writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Yes, seven platters. Reminds me of the old 12 inch winchester with the removable 10? platters. How did they manage a removable platter in a Winchester drive? It would seem like removing the whole sealed unit would leave nothing but a circuit board behind... You're showing your lack of age. I may be showing my ignorance, but I'm not showing my lack of age. I was in high school when IBM introduced the Winchester drive. That was a pun figuring you asked because you're too young to have been in the computer industry at the time to be familiar with that old hardware. Now after giving you links and pics about the HDAs, suddenly now you know about them. (rolls eyes) The whole platter assembly was removable. It came out with a plastic bell that you could store separately hence you could replace "drives" (well, the platter packs since the "drive" was the washing machine that stayed in one place). HDD platter packs: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/histor...hsDiskPack.jpg http://i.stack.imgur.com/1hFxX.png That one you inserted the pack into a "drive" (about the size of a small washing machine), twisted on the handle, removed the plastic shell, and closed the drive. As to its size, see the comparison he Not a Winchester. I was very familiar with several families of removeable disk packs -- none of them Winchester. http://tr2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2006...8646b/3373.jpg Rack-mounted sliding HDD: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/CPSC21...s/image006.gif That one only had 1 or 2 platters, the rack-mounted drive slid on rails, and you plopped the platter set into the drive (the top was the seal), and slid the drive back into the rack. Still not Winchester. Because of the size, thickness, and weight of the platters, especially for multi-platter packs, they were only supposed to be spun up when stationary. A U.S. sub once forgot to spin them down before leaving port, the drive assemblies broke lose from the floor bolts, and the thing went bashing around the room. The air contamination problem was eliminated by having both the platters and head assembly sealed inside a plastic shell that you twisted into the drive which made electrical contacts to control the heads. Where you screwed the pack into was the motor to spin the platters. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Module.agr.jpg. Think about trying to tote one of these with your laptop. History of magnetic drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ic_disk_drives OK, now we've gotten to Winchester drives -- and yes, the answer turns out to be the motor and drive electronics were all that was left when you pulled the pack. Winchester became a nym for all those type of drives whether or not the heads were included or not in the earlier models. Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rives#IBM_3340 Just like using Kleenex for facial tissue, the term didn't get used across many types of products until the defining product was introduced and widely used. Wrong. I didn't have to read the part that mentioned "The name stuck in the USSR, Hungary and possibly other countries as an umbrella term for all hard drives; it is still in wide use today." Happened, too, in the USA. Guess you didn't have many contacts back then outside your employer. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wow, what a great conversationalist you ... aren't. You don't qualify. |
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