If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
1st time builder need recommendation
I'm planning on building a new P4 machine that will be upgradable for at
least 3-4 years. This will be my 1st build, any insights will be greatly appreciated! Here's what I intend to use this baby for(I am no gamer, so gaming aspect will not be a consideration): Graphic/Video editing Web Development General programming Heavy duty business applications Heavy duty scientific calculation Primary applications I will be using - all latest versions: Photoshop/Fireworks/Painter Freehand/Illustrator/Canvas/CorelDraw 3dMax Studio/Maya/Rhinoceros/Plasma AutoCAD/Inventor Flash/Director AfterEffects/Premiere/various video editing burning apps Dreamweaver/GoLive Mathematica/Maple/MathCAD/Statistica/SPSS/MatLab ***my prime concern is multitasking, I will be using at least 5-6 of aforementioned apps simultaneously and need tremendous CPU/RAM combination to pull it off*** The system components I am thinking of a Gigabyte GA-8knxp/Asus P4C800 mobo (must have Intel HT support) Intel P4/3.0/3.06GHZ 512K HT 800FSB 1GB Crucial/Kingston DDR RAM Hercules ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB Vcard LiteOn LDW-401S DVD+R/RW Antec Solution series 350W case SB Audigy 3 cooling fans Existing hardware will be used in the new system: Maxtor DiamondMAX 60GB 7200rpm WD Special Edition 80GB 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB (all IDE drives) Liteon 48x burner 100MB Zip Drive What is buggy me is the video card, I don't play games at all, but I do a lot of 2D/3D work, graphic is extremely important to me, I need best video card for 2D/3D graphic professional. At almost $400, Radeon 9800 Pro is certainly more than expensive for a non gamer, would it help my 2D needs? Recommendation on best video cards for Maya/3DMaxStudio will certainly be appreciated! Thanks. |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Where does one get 10,000 for software? I would look at 'Fire GL' cards
"unbekannt" wrote in message 2... I'm planning on building a new P4 machine that will be upgradable for at least 3-4 years. This will be my 1st build, any insights will be greatly appreciated! Here's what I intend to use this baby for(I am no gamer, so gaming aspect will not be a consideration): Graphic/Video editing Web Development General programming Heavy duty business applications Heavy duty scientific calculation Primary applications I will be using - all latest versions: Photoshop/Fireworks/Painter Freehand/Illustrator/Canvas/CorelDraw 3dMax Studio/Maya/Rhinoceros/Plasma AutoCAD/Inventor Flash/Director AfterEffects/Premiere/various video editing burning apps Dreamweaver/GoLive Mathematica/Maple/MathCAD/Statistica/SPSS/MatLab ***my prime concern is multitasking, I will be using at least 5-6 of aforementioned apps simultaneously and need tremendous CPU/RAM combination to pull it off*** The system components I am thinking of a Gigabyte GA-8knxp/Asus P4C800 mobo (must have Intel HT support) Intel P4/3.0/3.06GHZ 512K HT 800FSB 1GB Crucial/Kingston DDR RAM Hercules ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB Vcard LiteOn LDW-401S DVD+R/RW Antec Solution series 350W case SB Audigy 3 cooling fans Existing hardware will be used in the new system: Maxtor DiamondMAX 60GB 7200rpm WD Special Edition 80GB 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB (all IDE drives) Liteon 48x burner 100MB Zip Drive What is buggy me is the video card, I don't play games at all, but I do a lot of 2D/3D work, graphic is extremely important to me, I need best video card for 2D/3D graphic professional. At almost $400, Radeon 9800 Pro is certainly more than expensive for a non gamer, would it help my 2D needs? Recommendation on best video cards for Maya/3DMaxStudio will certainly be appreciated! Thanks. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
unbekannt wrote: .... What is buggy me is the video card, I don't play games at all, but I do a lot of 2D/3D work, graphic is extremely important to me, I need best video card for 2D/3D graphic professional. At almost $400, Radeon 9800 Pro is certainly more than expensive for a non gamer, would it help my 2D needs? Recommendation on best video cards for Maya/3DMaxStudio will certainly be appreciated! Maya does not work with gaming cards but needs professional display adapters as, e.g., the Nvidia Quadro series - you may wish to consult www.alias.com with respect to Maya/3DMaxStudio hardware requirements. Roy |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
"jmnugent" ten.tsacmoc@tnegunmj wrote in
news:cUc3b.279400$uu5.62734@sccrnsc04: Since nothing in your first post said anything about how much money you are looking at spending, Well, I'm hoping to keep it under $2200, 1 reason to forgo the 3.2MHZ processor. Here are my recommendations: Another poster mentioned the "Fire GL" series video cards by ATI, which is a great recommendation. Personally, I like nVidia's Quadro series video cards. I will look into both. Do you think it's unreasonable to get Radeon 9800 Pro for my 2d/3d graphic needs? And what are the advatages of 9800 Pro if not for gaming? I would go with a larger Power supply. I like Enermax's 450 and 550 watt units....I think the reviews at www.tomshardware.com preferred the Antec power supplys---so you cant really go wrong either way. It just seems to me that 350 might be cutting it a little close. (I think of power supplys like I think of memory---you can never have enough wattage..) Definitely will consider that. With 3 HDD and more on the way, I might get a 400-480W. 550W will be too expensive for me. I'm not sure how much research you put into your motherboard choice,..but the ABIT IC7 and IS7 series boards are getting great reviews. I'm getting ready to build a new one (currently have a P3-866) and will probably go with the IS7 board. Abit IC7 looks promising, and much cheaper than Gigabyte. How do you think it stacks up against GA-8knxp in terms of board design for a 1st time builder? Buy as much memory as you can afford. 1gig might sound like alot..but most motherboards these days max out at 2gig or 4gig. I'm shooting for 2gig in my next system.. Most newest P4 mobo support up to 4gig of RAM, I will probably get 2gig if I decide to go with a cheaper video card. Hell....I know its your first home built system....but check out www.vapochill.com its hella expensive for a empty case--but the phase change cooling system is sweeeeeet.... very cool, but a little expensive for me. a generic cooling fan should be sufficient. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Roy Coorne wrote in
: unbekannt wrote: ... What is buggy me is the video card, I don't play games at all, but I do a lot of 2D/3D work, graphic is extremely important to me, I need best video card for 2D/3D graphic professional. At almost $400, Radeon 9800 Pro is certainly more than expensive for a non gamer, would it help my 2D needs? Recommendation on best video cards for Maya/3DMaxStudio will certainly be appreciated! Maya does not work with gaming cards but needs professional display adapters as, e.g., the Nvidia Quadro series - you may wish to consult www.alias.com with respect to Maya/3DMaxStudio hardware requirements. Roy Thanks for the advice! What is the best video card for highest quality photoshop work? I also do video capture from VCR for personal use, so ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro looks attractive, otherwise, I'd have to buy a capture card. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
"PWY" wrote in
. com: "unbekannt" wrote in message 2... I'm planning on building a new P4 machine that will be upgradable for at least 3-4 years. This will be my 1st build, any insights will be greatly appreciated! The P-4 is reaching the end of the line. The new processor ( P-5 ? ) is expected before the end of the year. The first round may fit present socket 478 boards, but by Spring the socket will change and your new board will no longer be upgradeable. Considering the investment you are about to make, I would wait. P5 will probably out of my budget of $2200. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
"unbekannt" wrote in message 1... "jmnugent" ten.tsacmoc@tnegunmj wrote in news:cUc3b.279400$uu5.62734@sccrnsc04: Since nothing in your first post said anything about how much money you are looking at spending, Well, I'm hoping to keep it under $2200, 1 reason to forgo the 3.2MHZ processor. Here are my recommendations: Another poster mentioned the "Fire GL" series video cards by ATI, which is a great recommendation. Personally, I like nVidia's Quadro series video cards. I will look into both. Do you think it's unreasonable to get Radeon 9800 Pro for my 2d/3d graphic needs? And what are the advatages of 9800 Pro if not for gaming? I dont know exactly....but if you look at: http://www.alias.com/eng/support/may...win.html#cards ....you'll see no Radeon family cards listed. It seems to be the same way for the SolidWorks engineers that I support, SolidWorks website does mention the Radeon series--but lists it as "not recommended". My "take" is that the gaming cards (Radeon or GeForce) are just to heavily tweaked for gaming, The Fire GL and Quadro cards are designed from the ground up to be for workstation 2D/3D manipulation. I would go with a larger Power supply. I like Enermax's 450 and 550 watt units....I think the reviews at www.tomshardware.com preferred the Antec power supplys---so you cant really go wrong either way. It just seems to me that 350 might be cutting it a little close. (I think of power supplys like I think of memory---you can never have enough wattage..) Definitely will consider that. With 3 HDD and more on the way, I might get a 400-480W. 550W will be too expensive for me. I'm not sure how much research you put into your motherboard choice,..but the ABIT IC7 and IS7 series boards are getting great reviews. I'm getting ready to build a new one (currently have a P3-866) and will probably go with the IS7 board. Abit IC7 looks promising, and much cheaper than Gigabyte. How do you think it stacks up against GA-8knxp in terms of board design for a 1st time builder? The boards have quite similar layouts...so I dont think you'll see a large difference in building it. On the Gigabyte board, the CPU seems awfully close to the top edge of the board which (depending on how much "cable spaghetti" you have in the top of your case) could pose slight air flow problems. On the ABIT board, the CPU is down a little further. And on the ABIT the IDE connectors are laid down parrallel to the motherboard instead of the usual straight up and down. This helps route the IDE cables a little neater. I've owned a couple Giga-byte boards,..and a couple ABIT boards, although both had issues, I tend to agree with reviewers that the ABIT boards seem to be easier to setup. As long as you've done your research and bought the right, compatible parts, everything just seems to drop easily into place... FYI----another thing you might be smart to consider would be to replace the stock Pentium 4 heatsink/fan with a better one. For the type of multitasking your going to be doing, I would go with the Zalman, (all copper) CNPS7000-Cu. I bought one through www.frozencpu.com for about $50.....well spent money in my opinion. --Jmnugent Buy as much memory as you can afford. 1gig might sound like alot..but most motherboards these days max out at 2gig or 4gig. I'm shooting for 2gig in my next system.. Most newest P4 mobo support up to 4gig of RAM, I will probably get 2gig if I decide to go with a cheaper video card. Hell....I know its your first home built system....but check out www.vapochill.com its hella expensive for a empty case--but the phase change cooling system is sweeeeeet.... very cool, but a little expensive for me. a generic cooling fan should be sufficient. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
unbekannt wrote:
Thanks for the advice! What is the best video card for highest quality photoshop work? I also do video capture from VCR for personal use, so ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro looks attractive, otherwise, I'd have to buy a capture card. Or use an -analog to DV- adapter and capture via firewire. Should be fine for non -theater movie- video uses. As good as DV (which is good) using an adapter like a canopus. The less stuff inside the box, the less conficts you'll have to deal with and analog video capture can be a headache. -- Stacey |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
unbekannt wrote:
Roy Coorne wrote in I don't think I made myself clear in my 1st post, I'm not looking for top- of-the-line workstation graphic cards like nVidia Quadro FX 3000 type, but within the mainstream high-end VCard. I'm using 3D as compli to my 2D graphic design & video production, and I also need to capture video to VCR. So you're not looking for "hardware 3D" video but are doing 3D "rendering" in software that outputs as 2D? Sounds like a Matrox G550, best 2D on the market. -- Stacey |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
You had mentioned in a different post that you were interested in a ATI 9800
"All in Wonder", From what you say below about "high quality photo manipulation and video capture",....the 9800 AIW would probably be a good choice...(considering your price range and requirements) --jmnugent "unbekannt" wrote in message 1... "jmnugent" ten.tsacmoc@tnegunmj wrote in news:sNd3b.278081$Ho3.37362@sccrnsc03: Here are my recommendations: Another poster mentioned the "Fire GL" series video cards by ATI, which is a great recommendation. Personally, I like nVidia's Quadro series video cards. I will look into both. Do you think it's unreasonable to get Radeon 9800 Pro for my 2d/3d graphic needs? And what are the advatages of 9800 Pro if not for gaming? I dont know exactly....but if you look at: http://www.alias.com/eng/support/may...QUAL/maya_50_w in.html#cards ...you'll see no Radeon family cards listed. It seems to be the same way for the SolidWorks engineers that I support, SolidWorks website does mention the Radeon series--but lists it as "not recommended". My "take" is that the gaming cards (Radeon or GeForce) are just to heavily tweaked for gaming, The Fire GL and Quadro cards are designed from the ground up to be for workstation 2D/3D manipulation. Well, my main use for Maya/3dsMax is to compli 2D graphic works done in Photoshop & others. I didn't make myself clear in the 1st post, I'm more into high-quality photo manipulation and digital video creation. My needs also include video capturing from VCR. I'm now using a pretty generic nVidia VCard that came with Dell, so with this new build, I'm shooting for something that will be stunning for 2D graphic and more than decent for 3D. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
FBI SADISTS should be HUNTED, KIDNAPPED and TORTURED for 3 YRS | Keith | General | 2 | November 23rd 04 07:32 AM |
Maximum System Bus Speed | David Maynard | Overclocking | 41 | April 14th 04 10:47 PM |
Old PC Occasionally Won't Start, Doesn't Power Down all the time | mr x | General | 6 | February 26th 04 04:50 AM |
Happy Birthday America | SST | Overclocking | 333 | November 27th 03 07:54 PM |
Happy Birthday America | SST | Overclocking AMD Processors | 326 | November 27th 03 07:54 PM |