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Overheating please help
Maybe it is not a huge emergency but my Intel Active Monitor comes up
with warnings when I do some heavy-duty CPU usage. Specifically it is happening now when I am encoding a DVD. I understand video rendering is heavy on the CPU but my CPU is a Northwood 3.0 GHz P4 with HT. This CPU should reduce its own activity to accomodate temperature, shouldn't it? Besides that, my motherboard is Intel, and I have plenty of cooling - In-Win case with a side-vent over the CPU fan, PSU fan, extra chassis fan. The CPU zone is being reported at 79°c / 174°F System Zone 2 is being reported at 147°F With all the cooling and the fact that the motherboard is Intel (and therefore, I would assume can reduce CPU cycles to reduce temperature), shouldn't this not be happening? I am using DVD Shrink to render an ISO file for burning DVD. Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Here is some sysinfo: CPU(s) Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical) CPU#1 APIC ID = 0 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping D1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 2992.4 MHz Clock multiplier x 15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 199.5 MHz Bus Speed 798.0 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 2992.4 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits CPU#2 APIC ID = 1 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit) Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation Motherboard model D865PERL, AAC40926-205 BIOS vendor Intel Corp. BIOS revision RL86510A.86A.0075.P15.0404021333 BIOS release date 04/02/2004 Chipset Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2 FSB Select 800 MHz Performance Mode disabled Graphic Interface AGP AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x AGP Max Rate 8x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 1024 MBytes DRAM Frequency 199.5 MHz FSBRAM 1:1 CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 992 MBytes Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0b ---Atreju--- |
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"Atreju" wrote in message ... Maybe it is not a huge emergency but my Intel Active Monitor comes up with warnings when I do some heavy-duty CPU usage. Specifically it is happening now when I am encoding a DVD. I understand video rendering is heavy on the CPU but my CPU is a Northwood 3.0 GHz P4 with HT. This CPU should reduce its own activity to accomodate temperature, shouldn't it? Besides that, my motherboard is Intel, and I have plenty of cooling - In-Win case with a side-vent over the CPU fan, PSU fan, extra chassis fan. The CPU zone is being reported at 79°c / 174°F System Zone 2 is being reported at 147°F With all the cooling and the fact that the motherboard is Intel (and therefore, I would assume can reduce CPU cycles to reduce temperature), shouldn't this not be happening? I am using DVD Shrink to render an ISO file for burning DVD. Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Here is some sysinfo: CPU(s) Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical) CPU#1 APIC ID = 0 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping D1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 2992.4 MHz Clock multiplier x 15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 199.5 MHz Bus Speed 798.0 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 2992.4 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits CPU#2 APIC ID = 1 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit) Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation Motherboard model D865PERL, AAC40926-205 BIOS vendor Intel Corp. BIOS revision RL86510A.86A.0075.P15.0404021333 BIOS release date 04/02/2004 Chipset Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2 FSB Select 800 MHz Performance Mode disabled Graphic Interface AGP AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x AGP Max Rate 8x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 1024 MBytes DRAM Frequency 199.5 MHz FSBRAM 1:1 CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 992 MBytes Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0b ---Atreju--- Have you checked CPU fan speed? Check for fluff and dust blocking airflow through cooler. Check PSU fan blowing OK. Do you have other fans, what case style? 79C is high, does heatsink feel that hot if you touch it? Mike. |
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Atreju wrote:
Maybe it is not a huge emergency but my Intel Active Monitor comes up with warnings when I do some heavy-duty CPU usage. Specifically it is happening now when I am encoding a DVD. I understand video rendering is heavy on the CPU but my CPU is a Northwood 3.0 GHz P4 with HT. This CPU should reduce its own activity to accomodate temperature, shouldn't it? Besides that, my motherboard is Intel, and I have plenty of cooling - In-Win case with a side-vent over the CPU fan, PSU fan, extra chassis fan. The CPU zone is being reported at 79°c / 174°F System Zone 2 is being reported at 147°F With all the cooling and the fact that the motherboard is Intel (and therefore, I would assume can reduce CPU cycles to reduce temperature), shouldn't this not be happening? I am using DVD Shrink to render an ISO file for burning DVD. Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Here is some sysinfo: CPU(s) Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical) CPU#1 APIC ID = 0 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping D1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 2992.4 MHz Clock multiplier x 15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 199.5 MHz Bus Speed 798.0 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 2992.4 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits CPU#2 APIC ID = 1 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit) Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation Motherboard model D865PERL, AAC40926-205 BIOS vendor Intel Corp. BIOS revision RL86510A.86A.0075.P15.0404021333 BIOS release date 04/02/2004 Chipset Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2 FSB Select 800 MHz Performance Mode disabled Graphic Interface AGP AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x AGP Max Rate 8x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 1024 MBytes DRAM Frequency 199.5 MHz FSBRAM 1:1 CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 992 MBytes Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0b ---Atreju--- #1 check the direction of fans current. If you have too many blowing in and not enough blowing out you create a 'thermal pocket', hot air actually pools in areas. Same occurs if you have too much blowing out and not enough coming in. #2 check that your ribbons are not obstructing air travel. Be generous with the wire ties. I am assuming you used thermal compound. DRG |
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Wrong. The "Northwood" P4's do NOT automatically throttle when overheating.
The problem, which I also ran into, is that you probably have the Hyper Threading turned ON and so the CPU is being overtaxed by doing heavy duty video work with only half the CPU's cycles. The other half is being used for your other running processes. And 79 C for a P4 will GREATLY reduce its life. I would recommend getting a better CPU cooling unit AND turning off HyperThreading if you plan on doing much DVD encoding. -- DaveW "Atreju" wrote in message ... Maybe it is not a huge emergency but my Intel Active Monitor comes up with warnings when I do some heavy-duty CPU usage. Specifically it is happening now when I am encoding a DVD. I understand video rendering is heavy on the CPU but my CPU is a Northwood 3.0 GHz P4 with HT. This CPU should reduce its own activity to accomodate temperature, shouldn't it? Besides that, my motherboard is Intel, and I have plenty of cooling - In-Win case with a side-vent over the CPU fan, PSU fan, extra chassis fan. The CPU zone is being reported at 79°c / 174°F System Zone 2 is being reported at 147°F With all the cooling and the fact that the motherboard is Intel (and therefore, I would assume can reduce CPU cycles to reduce temperature), shouldn't this not be happening? I am using DVD Shrink to render an ISO file for burning DVD. Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Here is some sysinfo: CPU(s) Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical) CPU#1 APIC ID = 0 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping D1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 2992.4 MHz Clock multiplier x 15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 199.5 MHz Bus Speed 798.0 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 2992.4 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits CPU#2 APIC ID = 1 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit) Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation Motherboard model D865PERL, AAC40926-205 BIOS vendor Intel Corp. BIOS revision RL86510A.86A.0075.P15.0404021333 BIOS release date 04/02/2004 Chipset Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2 FSB Select 800 MHz Performance Mode disabled Graphic Interface AGP AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x AGP Max Rate 8x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 1024 MBytes DRAM Frequency 199.5 MHz FSBRAM 1:1 CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 992 MBytes Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0b ---Atreju--- |
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"DaveW" wrote in message ... Wrong. The "Northwood" P4's do NOT automatically throttle when overheating. So, where did you hear this little tidbit? snip I would recommend getting a better CPU cooling unit AND turning off HyperThreading if you plan on doing much DVD encoding. I've got a 2.8GHz Northwood P4, and have no problem encoding DVDs with HyperThreading turned on. It rarely passes 40º C during heavy use. DaveW MC |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:11:25 -0700, "DaveW" wrote:
Wrong. The "Northwood" P4's do NOT automatically throttle when overheating. I believe you are mistaken. According to the datasheet 29864312.pdf titled: Intel ® Pentium ® 4 Processor with 512-KB L2 Cache on 0.13 Micron Process and Intel ® Pentium ® 4 Processor Extreme Edition Supporting Hyper-Threading Technology 1 Datasheet The P4 Northwood DOES feature Netburst, which regulates CPU flow based on thermal conditions. ---Atreju--- |
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that is pretty hot I would check the seating of the heatsink sounds like it
is loose. I would also make sure the case has proper ventilation. Not enclosed in a shelf with a door etc.. "Atreju" wrote in message ... Maybe it is not a huge emergency but my Intel Active Monitor comes up with warnings when I do some heavy-duty CPU usage. Specifically it is happening now when I am encoding a DVD. I understand video rendering is heavy on the CPU but my CPU is a Northwood 3.0 GHz P4 with HT. This CPU should reduce its own activity to accomodate temperature, shouldn't it? Besides that, my motherboard is Intel, and I have plenty of cooling - In-Win case with a side-vent over the CPU fan, PSU fan, extra chassis fan. The CPU zone is being reported at 79°c / 174°F System Zone 2 is being reported at 147°F With all the cooling and the fact that the motherboard is Intel (and therefore, I would assume can reduce CPU cycles to reduce temperature), shouldn't this not be happening? I am using DVD Shrink to render an ISO file for burning DVD. Any advice/thoughts appreciated. Here is some sysinfo: CPU(s) Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical) CPU#1 APIC ID = 0 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code Name Northwood Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9 Extended Family / Model 0 0 Brand ID 9 Package mPGA-478 Core Stepping D1 Technology 0.13 µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 CPU Clock Speed 2992.4 MHz Clock multiplier x 15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 199.5 MHz Bus Speed 798.0 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 2992.4 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits CPU#2 APIC ID = 1 CPU Name Intel Pentium 4 (logical unit) Mainboard and chipset Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation Motherboard model D865PERL, AAC40926-205 BIOS vendor Intel Corp. BIOS revision RL86510A.86A.0075.P15.0404021333 BIOS release date 04/02/2004 Chipset Intel i865P/PE/G/i848P rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2 FSB Select 800 MHz Performance Mode disabled Graphic Interface AGP AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x AGP Max Rate 8x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes Memory DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM DRAM Size 1024 MBytes DRAM Frequency 199.5 MHz FSBRAM 1:1 CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 992 MBytes Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes Software Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) DirectX version 9.0b ---Atreju--- |
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Is that InWin a steel case? If they are still making steel
cases, there is no way to cool them enough to put a newer cpu in them. You need an aluminum case with the big fan in back. johns |
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DaveW wrote:
Wrong. The "Northwood" P4's do NOT automatically throttle when overheating. That's going to come as one hell of a surprise to the Intel folks who wrote the specs. The problem, which I also ran into, is that you probably have the Hyper Threading turned ON and so the CPU is being overtaxed by doing heavy duty video work with only half the CPU's cycles. The other half is being used for your other running processes. And 79 C for a P4 will GREATLY reduce its life. I would recommend getting a better CPU cooling unit AND turning off HyperThreading if you plan on doing much DVD encoding. |
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"johns" wrote in message ... Is that InWin a steel case? If they are still making steel cases, there is no way to cool them enough to put a newer cpu in them. You need an aluminum case with the big fan in back. johns It shouldn't matter at all what the case is made of. The main thing is to get good airflow around the CPU/HSF. The case could be made of lead or cardboard as far as that goes. Cool air in and hot air out is the ticket. Ed |
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