Epson printers - 2400 vs. 4800 ??

Do you NOT know what 'Large Format' means?

This is a group for large-format cameras...

SHEET film

4x5 INCHES or more....

WTF......?

Mark Anon wrote:
Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are the _real
quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800 printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the 4800 at
2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

TIA for any help...

Mark

Benwa writes ...
I have the R2400 and the 7800 Pro. The print speed of a 13x19
is almost exactly the same between the two.

Bill Hilton wrote ..
He's asking about the 4800 and it's about twice as
fast as the 7800.

Benwa, when I get the facts wrong I'm willing to eat my words and I got
this wrong, so I apologize ... the 4000 was almost twice as fast as the
7600 but Epson speeded up the 7800 considerably ... I found this
statement on the Epson release info for the 7800 ... "Utilizing our
latest high-performance print head technology, the Epson Stylus Pro
7800 is among the fastest print engines in the industry, while printing
twice as fast as our previous models."

And here are the actual speeds for the 4800 and 7800, which are pretty
similar for the same size prints ...
4800 speeds ...
• Fine — 720 dpi HS produces an 8" x 10" in 1:28, 11" x 14" in 2:27,
16" x 20" in 4:07
• SuperFine — 1440 dpi HS produces an 8" x 10" in 2:00, 11" x 14" in
3:25, 16" x 20" in 6:07
• SuperFine — 1440 dpi produces an 8" x 10" in 3:17, 11" x 14" in 5:35,
16" x 20" in 9:46
• SuperPhoto — 2880 dpi HS produces an 8" x 10" in 3:54, 11" x 14" in
6:35, 16" x 20" in 11:40
• SuperPhoto — 2880 dpi produces an 8" x 10" in 6:25, 11" x 14" in
10:55, 16" x 20" in 18:57.

7800 speeds ...
720 x 720 dpi - HS* produces a 16" x 20" in 4:20, 24" x 30" in 9:54
1440 x 720 dpi - HS* produces a 16" x 20" in 6:41, 24" x 30" in 14:18
2,880 x 1,440 dpi - HS* produces a 16" x 20" in 12:57, 24" x 30" in
26:54
*HS = High Speed Print Mode (Bi-directional Print Mode)

So for a HS 16x20 the 4800 takes 11:40 and the 7800 12:57, a lot faster
than the 7600 IIRC.

Bill

On 1/4/06 9:32 AM, in article
, "Bill Hilton"
wrote:

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... the 4000 was almost twice as fast as the
7600 but Epson speeded up the 7800 considerably ...

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And, as long as we are printing corrections in this thread . . .

I said that the smallest size paper that the 4800 would handle was letter
size (8.5x11 in.). That is close but not quite correct. It will print on
paper that is as narrow as 8 in. wide. It will also handle paper,
lengthwise, that is 8 in. as well. So paper pre-cut to 8x10 would work, as
would 8x8 - if you could find that size. This all according to a call that
I made to Epson tech. support because of my own curiosity.
Chuck

In article qwZtf.788$eR.402@fed1read03,
"Mark Anon" wrote:

Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are the _real
quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800 printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the 4800 at
2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

Take a look at the Canon iP4200. It'll print at 9600x2400dpi.

Stewy wrote:
In article qwZtf.788$eR.402@fed1read03,
"Mark Anon" wrote:

Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are the
_real quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800
printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the 4800
at 2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

Take a look at the Canon iP4200. It'll print at 9600x2400dpi.

What media do you print on that you believe takes advantage of that dpi?

In article oH3vf.7868$V.6468@fed1read04,
"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote:

Stewy wrote:
In article qwZtf.788$eR.402@fed1read03,
"Mark Anon" wrote:

Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are the
_real quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800
printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the 4800
at 2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

Take a look at the Canon iP4200. It'll print at 9600x2400dpi.

What media do you print on that you believe takes advantage of that dpi?

Here in Japan there are plenty of high resolution papers to choose from,
unfortunately many are unavailable in other countries just as Ilford
papers are hard to get in Japan.

It's called specmanship.

Professionals know that 2880 x 1440 dpi is about all a printer,
especially a printer with several color load inks, needs. ALso, the 4800
is a 17" wide printer, designed with larger prints in mind, where people
will tend to observe them from a distance. However, at 2880 x 1440, it
will be quite difficult to see a 5670 dpi model and think it really
looks better.

2880 x 1440 dpi is photographic with Epson printers, and higher numbers
usually mean slower output,. more memory demands, etc. The driver in
the 2400 will probably not actually output at more than 720 or 1440 dpi
anyway, so the 5670 number is a bit of a dream.

Art

Mark Anon wrote:

Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are the _real
quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800 printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the 4800 at
2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

TIA for any help...

Mark

There is a certain irony that this business model is so well "designed"
that by Epson offering perhaps $10-$20 actual cost worth of ink, they
can make a person justify spending an additional $1000 or more on a printer.

Of course, if you are to use OEM inks in the less costly 2400 or R1800
anyway, indeed the prices are what they are, and the ink cost therefore
is a real consideration. However, that doesn't alter the fact that this
ink is unbelievably overpriced.

One caveat. If you are not producing large quantities of large prints,
keep in mind the Ultrachrome inks tend to have quality loss issues after
6 months to a year, so you want to be sure you will use them up in that
period of time on open cartridges, or that savings on ink may be reversed.

Further, as mentioned, if you will be moving between the Photo/glossy
and Matte black inks often, the cost of lost ink plus replacement waste
ink units will rapidly eat up all your savings.

Art

Mark² wrote:

rafe b wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:33:21 -0800, "Mark Anon"
wrote:


Please let me clarify: I am a serious amateur (Nikon D2X for
digital and Canham 5x7 large format for film), but by NO means am I
a working commercial pro. I want to be able to print _professional
quality_ prints that I can market sell but the volume of prints I
might sell will NOT be large (as much as I'd like it to be
otherwise... s)

I just wanted to add this because it sounds like the 4800 is more
geared (rugged build, higher cost of ink cartridges) towards a
higher production volume environment than mine???

Mark


I ordered the Epson R1800, which seems more geared
toward glossy papers. Plus, it's a couple hundred $$
cheaper than the 2400.

I expect with either one I'll be paying a small fortune
for inks. C'est la vie. For the $1000 I've saved I can
buy a lot of ink, or get a lot of LightJet prints made.


On the other hand... The 4800 comes with about $400 worth of ink right in
the box.
-This makes it's somewhat steep price not so outlandish after all...

Arthur Entlich wrote:
There is a certain irony that this business model is so well
"designed" that by Epson offering perhaps $10-$20 actual cost worth
of ink, they can make a person justify spending an additional $1000 or
more on a
printer.

It is worth every bit of that extra $1000 if you want ultra chrome, larger
prints, serious longevity, and industrial-strength product build.

Stewy wrote:
In article oH3vf.7868$V.6468@fed1read04,
"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote:

Stewy wrote:
In article qwZtf.788$eR.402@fed1read03,
"Mark Anon" wrote:

Aside from the obvious difference in print output size, what are
the _real quality_ differences between the new Epson 2400 and 4800
printers?

The 2400 advertises much higher 5760x1440 dpi printing, but the
4800 at 2880x1440 is listed as a "Pro" model. What gives?

Both use the new K3 inks.

Take a look at the Canon iP4200. It'll print at 9600x2400dpi.

What media do you print on that you believe takes advantage of that
dpi?

Here in Japan there are plenty of high resolution papers to choose
from, unfortunately many are unavailable in other countries just as
Ilford papers are hard to get in Japan.

I contend that there isn't ANY media capable of showing a benefit of dpi
that high.