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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my
system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
Dan wrote:
I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- Use the BIOS to verify the detection of the drive. That way, the OS is not involved. With your SATA drive connected to an IDE port via an adapter, you'd expect to see it in the IDE information section of the BIOS. With respect to the IDE cable, try the adapter on the end of the cable, without another drive connected to the middle connector of the ribbon cable. That is just in case this is a Master/Slave/Cable Select issue. Paul |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
Dan wrote:
I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- When you say "has worked before", is that the adapter or the adapter with this drive attached? I believe the drive is preset to SATA300 and needs to be changed by software (no link) if SATA150 is required. There is a possibility that the drive is too big for the motherboard controller to handle or that the geometry used in USB is different from the IDE geometry. Different BIOSs handle these problems differently - some ignore the excess or may "wrap" at the limit, some will not register the disk (I have seen both), though XP shouldn't need the BIOS for disk access once it has started. Is the drive a single partition or more? Using a small partition at the start may help in finding a solution. Not a definitive answer, but some things to consider :-( -- PeeGee "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able to be removed from a computer easily." Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05) |
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On Wed 24 Dec08 10:57, Paul wrote
Dan wrote: I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- Use the BIOS to verify the detection of the drive. That way, the OS is not involved. With your SATA drive connected to an IDE port via an adapter, you'd expect to see it in the IDE information section of the BIOS. With respect to the IDE cable, try the adapter on the end of the cable, without another drive connected to the middle connector of the ribbon cable. That is just in case this is a Master/Slave/Cable Select issue. Paul Yes, it is the BIOS which detects the abscence of a drive. The adapter has a male plug and can't be used with an normal ribbon cable. It is very clear in the link I posted.. |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:45:42 GMT, Dan wrote:
I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. No, it doesn't. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- Most likely is the adapter can't cope with SATA-300, or can't cope with the 750gig size. Why not get a PCI SATA card, for about £12? Cheers - Jaimie -- Every time we start thinking we're the center of the universe, the universe turns around and says with a slightly distracted air, 'I'm sorry. What'd you say your name was again?' -- Margaret Maron |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
Dan wrote:
On Wed 24 Dec08 10:57, Paul wrote Dan wrote: I have a Samsung 750 GB hard drive which I attached from outside my system using a USB port and with separate power. I went into WinXP/SP2. Later I tried to attach that drive direct to the mainboard but it couldn't be recognized. The mobo just completely passed over the existence of the drive. Does XP mark the MBR of a drive used thru the USB port to say it is an "external mass storage device"? Perhaps that mark prevents the mobo picking up the drive. More details are below. Thanks for any info! Dan ---------------------------- Samsung HDD, 3.5 inch, internal, F1, 750 GB old mainboard: Via 266A chipset. Samsung attached using "SATA to IDE" adapter which plugs straight into the mainboard IDE socket. Has worked before. Adapter is almost identical to this one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/a11az.jpg ---------------------------- Use the BIOS to verify the detection of the drive. That way, the OS is not involved. With your SATA drive connected to an IDE port via an adapter, you'd expect to see it in the IDE information section of the BIOS. With respect to the IDE cable, try the adapter on the end of the cable, without another drive connected to the middle connector of the ribbon cable. That is just in case this is a Master/Slave/Cable Select issue. Paul Yes, it is the BIOS which detects the abscence of a drive. The adapter has a male plug and can't be used with an normal ribbon cable. It is very clear in the link I posted.. There are three types of available adapter. For the first, you'd need a female IDE connector, as the IDE drive is male. For the second, you'd need a female IDE connector, as the motherboard connector is male (assuming the second goes into the motherboard). For the third, a female connector would suit both directions. The link you posted shows a female connector. And based on these observations, a female connector won't tell you anything about the adapter type. 1) SATA host to IDE drive 2) IDE host to SATA drive. 3) Adapter with a chip which is bidirectional (JM20330) If, on the other hand, an adapter was built with a male connector, that would suit it for connection to a ribbon cable (as the ribbon cable has three female connectors on it). Such an adapter would support Master/Slave and with two adapters, you could support two drives. I haven't been looking at all the adapters on the market, for all these nuances, so cannot say if something like that is made or not. You say yourself, that your adapter plugs directly into the motherboard, so the adapter would be female. There is a small chance, that the drive is 150/300 capable and the adapter is 150 only. Normally, the drive would auto-negotiate. If it won't for some reason, installing the "force 150" jumper on the drive, might fix it. There are some brands of SATA drives which have no jumper, and for those, you need a software tool to configure the drive to the lower of the two rates. In this picture of a Spinpoint F1, it looks like there is a jumper area with a 2x2 set of pins. That should, in principle, be enough to provide a "spread spectrum" and a "force 150" jumper position. Yet, in the official Samsung user manual, no mention is made of the jumpers. Hope the details are printed on the drive label... http://www.nextway.ch/product_info.php/products_id/7598 Paul |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
Why not get a PCI SATA card, for about £12? I've never seen the point of those adapters, as a PCI controller would be more useful in the future, when you no longer have a PATA only motherboard, and it is cost effective, considering it has more ports. They also seem like a kludge. But does SMART work through those adapters? ss. |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:58:41 -0000, "Synapse Syndrome"
wrote: Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: Why not get a PCI SATA card, for about £12? I've never seen the point of those adapters, as a PCI controller would be more useful in the future, when you no longer have a PATA only motherboard, and it is cost effective, considering it has more ports. They also seem like a kludge. But does SMART work through those adapters? Even if it doesn't it's no less useful... Linux will get SMART info through a Silicon Image 3132-based adapter, I've got one going downstairs. Cheers - Jaimie -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM |
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SAT not recognised by mobo after been on USB
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:58:41 -0000, "Synapse Syndrome"
wrote: Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: Why not get a PCI SATA card, for about £12? I've never seen the point of those adapters, as a PCI controller would be more useful in the future, when you no longer have a PATA only motherboard, and it is cost effective, considering it has more ports. They also seem like a kludge. There could be two points. One is that he already has the SATA drive and needs to get it working, the other being if someone without any (or at least an available) SATA port wants to buy a large drive worthy of being transplated into the next system purchased or reused when the mainboard is replaced during it's next upgrade. Then there's the factor that sometimes if you find a good deal on a SATA drive at the price-point you want, it can be cheaper than the PATA counterpart today so paying $20 or so for the adapter is negligible if any addt'l expense. One other reason to do so would be if someone wanted to create a raid array, anything besides 1 where they didn't want the array to be inaccessible if the motherboard died and had the raid controller integrated into it. By having the raid capable PCI or PCI-E card it can be transplated into any system as a set. |
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