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New build won't start up.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote: On 2014-03-15, Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:20:45 -0400, Paul wrote: Mark wrote: Usual problem - new build, no beep, no display. Parts: AMD A10-7850K CPU Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X Motherboard Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W Kingston HyperX 2*GB DDR3-2133 RAM I have tried the following: - Reseat memory and try only one module at a time (in different slots) - Remove CPU and refit, double check pins and CPU seated correctly. - Remove and reconnect 24pin and 2*4 pin power connectors - Remove and reconnect all other motherboard connections. - Remove motherboard from case and try again. - Monitor connected to the VGA port. The CPU fan spins and a light on the motherboard comes on so it's not completely dead. I know that this motherboard normally ships with an old BIOS that does not support this CPU but the retailer assures me that they checked this. However the motherboard did not look like it had ever been out of the box when it arrived here. Anything I haven't thought of? I'm really not sure it's worth trying a different PSU and it would involve removing one from a working PC which I would be reluctant to do. I don't have any spare memory or another suitable CPU. Motherboard is rated 3 of 5. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653 And shipping with the old BIOS, is one of the problems with the board. Check the customer review tab, for symptoms matching yours. There are a variety of symptoms, including someone who had two of those boards die in quick succession. Most of the problems seem to be down to the outdated BIOS. There are few cases of boards dying but this may be typical. Often people only post bad reviews otherwise they don't bother. I don't know. It is a concern though. I have had quite a few Gigabyte mobos before and they've all been fine. Is the USA version of this m/b the same? I have seen situations where different products are sold with the same name in different countries. I would at least use my multimeter, to verify voltages while the fans are spinning. A multimeter probe can be fitted into the plastic PSU connector shell on the motherboard, and usually there is enough exposed metal accessible, to get a voltage reading. I also use my clamp-on DC ammeter, to check current draw, but that's an optional test if you happen to have the meter available to you. TBH I am sick of it today. Maybe I'll have another look tomorrow. I have thought of doing something like you suggest but I have convinced myself that it is the motherboard that it to blame. I'll probably see if I can get hold of an Asus m/b instead next week. However tomorrow is another day. Had something similar happen to me.....after checking manual, found I didn't connect the power cable for the cpu power on the Intel chip. Most likely the the Cool Master heat sink was large enough to just about cover the cpu connection. Don't recall anything about a separate power connection for the cpu on my previous systems......... The ATX power connectors have changed over the years. Modern ones have more pins to accomodate higher power consumptions[1]. I wish it was that simple. All power connectors are plugged in. (24 pin main connector and the 2x4 pin ones) [1] I think these were for the P4, which was a monster. |
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New build won't start up.
Mark wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC), lew wrote: On 2014-03-15, Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:20:45 -0400, Paul wrote: Mark wrote: Usual problem - new build, no beep, no display. Parts: AMD A10-7850K CPU Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X Motherboard Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W Kingston HyperX 2*GB DDR3-2133 RAM I have tried the following: - Reseat memory and try only one module at a time (in different slots) - Remove CPU and refit, double check pins and CPU seated correctly. - Remove and reconnect 24pin and 2*4 pin power connectors - Remove and reconnect all other motherboard connections. - Remove motherboard from case and try again. - Monitor connected to the VGA port. The CPU fan spins and a light on the motherboard comes on so it's not completely dead. I know that this motherboard normally ships with an old BIOS that does not support this CPU but the retailer assures me that they checked this. However the motherboard did not look like it had ever been out of the box when it arrived here. Anything I haven't thought of? I'm really not sure it's worth trying a different PSU and it would involve removing one from a working PC which I would be reluctant to do. I don't have any spare memory or another suitable CPU. Motherboard is rated 3 of 5. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653 And shipping with the old BIOS, is one of the problems with the board. Check the customer review tab, for symptoms matching yours. There are a variety of symptoms, including someone who had two of those boards die in quick succession. Most of the problems seem to be down to the outdated BIOS. There are few cases of boards dying but this may be typical. Often people only post bad reviews otherwise they don't bother. I don't know. It is a concern though. I have had quite a few Gigabyte mobos before and they've all been fine. Is the USA version of this m/b the same? I have seen situations where different products are sold with the same name in different countries. I would at least use my multimeter, to verify voltages while the fans are spinning. A multimeter probe can be fitted into the plastic PSU connector shell on the motherboard, and usually there is enough exposed metal accessible, to get a voltage reading. I also use my clamp-on DC ammeter, to check current draw, but that's an optional test if you happen to have the meter available to you. TBH I am sick of it today. Maybe I'll have another look tomorrow. I have thought of doing something like you suggest but I have convinced myself that it is the motherboard that it to blame. I'll probably see if I can get hold of an Asus m/b instead next week. However tomorrow is another day. Had something similar happen to me.....after checking manual, found I didn't connect the power cable for the cpu power on the Intel chip. Most likely the the Cool Master heat sink was large enough to just about cover the cpu connection. Don't recall anything about a separate power connection for the cpu on my previous systems......... The ATX power connectors have changed over the years. Modern ones have more pins to accomodate higher power consumptions[1]. I wish it was that simple. All power connectors are plugged in. (24 pin main connector and the 2x4 pin ones) [1] I think these were for the P4, which was a monster. In terms of power monsters, this is the new record holder :-) The FX-9590. TDP of 220W according to this advert. This processor really needs a 2x4 power connector, and a 2x2 would be cooked. It's really a CPU that is being factory overclocked (run well outside the intended design range). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113347 The miracle part of that processor, is how the bond wires (electrical connection between socket pin and silicon die) can take the current. Bond wires can only take so much, before they begin to droop from the heat. There might be more engineering to that, than meets the eye. Paul |
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"Paul" wrote in message
... Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC), lew wrote: On 2014-03-15, Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:20:45 -0400, Paul wrote: In terms of power monsters, this is the new record holder :-) The FX-9590. TDP of 220W according to this advert. This processor really needs a 2x4 power connector, and a 2x2 would be cooked. It's really a CPU that is being factory overclocked (run well outside the intended design range). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113347 The miracle part of that processor, is how the bond wires (electrical connection between socket pin and silicon die) can take the current. Bond wires can only take so much, before they begin to droop from the heat. There might be more engineering to that, than meets the eye. 4.7Ghz, will it make me type faster ;-)) |
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New build won't start up.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:09:11 -0000, "Raj Kundra"
wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC), lew wrote: On 2014-03-15, Mark wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:20:45 -0400, Paul wrote: In terms of power monsters, this is the new record holder :-) The FX-9590. TDP of 220W according to this advert. This processor really needs a 2x4 power connector, and a 2x2 would be cooked. It's really a CPU that is being factory overclocked (run well outside the intended design range). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113347 The miracle part of that processor, is how the bond wires (electrical connection between socket pin and silicon die) can take the current. Bond wires can only take so much, before they begin to droop from the heat. There might be more engineering to that, than meets the eye. 4.7Ghz, will it make me type faster ;-)) Only if someone develops new flexible heatpipe technology that allows the keyboard to act as a CPU heatsink. :-) -- Regards, J B Good |
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On 15/03/2014 9:54 AM, Mark wrote:
Usual problem - new build, no beep, no display. Parts: AMD A10-7850K CPU Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X Motherboard Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W Kingston HyperX 2*GB DDR3-2133 RAM I have tried the following: - Reseat memory and try only one module at a time (in different slots) - Remove CPU and refit, double check pins and CPU seated correctly. - Remove and reconnect 24pin and 2*4 pin power connectors - Remove and reconnect all other motherboard connections. - Remove motherboard from case and try again. - Monitor connected to the VGA port. The CPU fan spins and a light on the motherboard comes on so it's not completely dead. I know that this motherboard normally ships with an old BIOS that does not support this CPU but the retailer assures me that they checked this. However the motherboard did not look like it had ever been out of the box when it arrived here. Anything I haven't thought of? I'm really not sure it's worth trying a different PSU and it would involve removing one from a working PC which I would be reluctant to do. I don't have any spare memory or another suitable CPU. So what happened with this in the end? Did you get it fixed up? Yousuf Khan |
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New build won't start up.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:39:30 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote: On 15/03/2014 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Usual problem - new build, no beep, no display. Parts: AMD A10-7850K CPU Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X Motherboard Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W Kingston HyperX 2*GB DDR3-2133 RAM I have tried the following: - Reseat memory and try only one module at a time (in different slots) - Remove CPU and refit, double check pins and CPU seated correctly. - Remove and reconnect 24pin and 2*4 pin power connectors - Remove and reconnect all other motherboard connections. - Remove motherboard from case and try again. - Monitor connected to the VGA port. The CPU fan spins and a light on the motherboard comes on so it's not completely dead. I know that this motherboard normally ships with an old BIOS that does not support this CPU but the retailer assures me that they checked this. However the motherboard did not look like it had ever been out of the box when it arrived here. Anything I haven't thought of? I'm really not sure it's worth trying a different PSU and it would involve removing one from a working PC which I would be reluctant to do. I don't have any spare memory or another suitable CPU. So what happened with this in the end? Did you get it fixed up? Thanks for asking :-) I've finally got the motherboard, CPU and RAM back (after returning to the retailer & them misplacing the components). They confessed that they failed to update the BIOS before shipping. Now they have done it. Last night I assembled and can get into the BIOS :-). It looks OK. My choice of case turned out to be not ideal since it was a little difficult to fit the drives, but this is done now. Hopefully I will installed the OS tonight. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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New build won't start up.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:40:48 +0000, Mark
wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:39:30 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote: On 15/03/2014 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Usual problem - new build, no beep, no display. Parts: AMD A10-7850K CPU Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88X Motherboard Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 430W Kingston HyperX 2*GB DDR3-2133 RAM I have tried the following: - Reseat memory and try only one module at a time (in different slots) - Remove CPU and refit, double check pins and CPU seated correctly. - Remove and reconnect 24pin and 2*4 pin power connectors - Remove and reconnect all other motherboard connections. - Remove motherboard from case and try again. - Monitor connected to the VGA port. The CPU fan spins and a light on the motherboard comes on so it's not completely dead. I know that this motherboard normally ships with an old BIOS that does not support this CPU but the retailer assures me that they checked this. However the motherboard did not look like it had ever been out of the box when it arrived here. Anything I haven't thought of? I'm really not sure it's worth trying a different PSU and it would involve removing one from a working PC which I would be reluctant to do. I don't have any spare memory or another suitable CPU. So what happened with this in the end? Did you get it fixed up? Thanks for asking :-) I've finally got the motherboard, CPU and RAM back (after returning to the retailer & them misplacing the components). They confessed that they failed to update the BIOS before shipping. Now they have done it. Last night I assembled and can get into the BIOS :-). It looks OK. My choice of case turned out to be not ideal since it was a little difficult to fit the drives, but this is done now. Hopefully I will installed the OS tonight. Right now I am not terribly impressed particularly with the case and the PSU. I want to use the motherboard to connect the case fans but they have molex connectors/three pin connectors. Also I wanted to fit a third HDD and I find that the PSU has insufficient cables to do this :-( The case instructions are absolutely useless. There are some small pictures explaining the obvious but nothing at all about the additional features[1] [1] Case fan control and dual boot[2] [2] Which I don't want anyway but makes the HDD fit more difficult. |
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New build won't start up.
On 31/03/2014 3:17 PM, Mark wrote:
Right now I am not terribly impressed particularly with the case and the PSU. I want to use the motherboard to connect the case fans but they have molex connectors/three pin connectors. Ah yes, one of those el cheapo cases. You can get a little converter that converts from Molex to motherboard connector. Also I wanted to fit a third HDD and I find that the PSU has insufficient cables to do this :-( You can get a Y-connector for that. Yousuf Khan |
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:17:57 +0100, Mark wrote:
[...] Right now I am not terribly impressed particularly with the case and the PSU. I want to use the motherboard to connect the case fans but they have molex connectors/three pin connectors. Also I wanted to fit a third HDD and I find that the PSU has insufficient cables to do this :-( http://www.kenable.co.uk/?cPath=23_46 Chris -- Remove prejudice to reply. |
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New build won't start up.
Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 31/03/2014 3:17 PM, Mark wrote: Right now I am not terribly impressed particularly with the case and the PSU. I want to use the motherboard to connect the case fans but they have molex connectors/three pin connectors. Ah yes, one of those el cheapo cases. You can get a little converter that converts from Molex to motherboard connector. Also I wanted to fit a third HDD and I find that the PSU has insufficient cables to do this :-( You can get a Y-connector for that. Yousuf Khan There is a limit though. You'd probably want to keep the total current draw below 8 amps or so, on the Molex "tree" you build. You can't extend the tree indefinitely, before the voltage on the ends of the cable starts to drop. I discovered this, when finding only 11V on the 12V pin on my current computer. I had quite a few Molex feeding off one cable at the time. One of the drives got into a spin-down/spin-up loop. Rearranging my tree(s) fixed it. I've also managed to burn a Molex. The load on the pin in question was 5 amps, and my suspicion is, a cheap Chinese connector wasn't making good contact. (The original Molex branded ones, grip so hard, they're difficult to get apart later.) My first notice of a problem, was the "disconnected cable" warning on my ATI 9800Pro. I ended up soldering a cable to the video card, to fix it (as I didn't have any right angle soldertail Molex connectors to use to repair the damage). The video card, still works today, but it's retired and sitting in the original box. Paul |
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