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Economics of SATA hard drive
On 24 Jun 2006, Rod wrote:
I don't use either, Your problem. and for good reason. Nope, mindless paranoia, actually. You can get scammed with online transactions too. Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem. You may be in the right and you may eventually get your money but who needs the hassle? |
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Economics of SATA hard drive
On 22 Jun 2006, wrote:
In other words, your board is among the worst to use a PCI SATA controller on. Oh bull****. Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset? I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets. Google for the info if you don't believe, If you Google, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A... http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html ... and this is even BEFORE one tries to use the PCI bus for other concurrent things like audio or whatever. In computing most things are typical, but occasionally some things stand out as very good or bad. Via chipsets PCI performance in that era were very bad. I clicked your Google link and saw this at http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1 ----------------------------- QUOTE Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as "Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up a lot of changes, including: double the burst rate for memory transfers deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues) faster memory timings This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in the original design ----------------------------- UNQUOTE Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266. Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards? |
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:01:31 +0100, Warra
wrote: On 22 Jun 2006, wrote: In other words, your board is among the worst to use a PCI SATA controller on. Oh bull****. Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset? I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets. Google for the info if you don't believe, If you Google, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A... http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html ... and this is even BEFORE one tries to use the PCI bus for other concurrent things like audio or whatever. In computing most things are typical, but occasionally some things stand out as very good or bad. Via chipsets PCI performance in that era were very bad. I clicked your Google link and saw this at http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1 ----------------------------- QUOTE Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as "Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up a lot of changes, including: double the burst rate for memory transfers deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues) faster memory timings This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in the original design ----------------------------- UNQUOTE Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266. Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards? Yes I think I was mistaken about the bus speed issue, that was going from KT133 to KT133A. I now wonder how many boards actually surfaced with the KT266 (non-A) chip though as it stirs up another memory that boards may have been designed for KT266 but that many ended up shipping with KT266A (which is pin-compatible, IIRC) instead. |
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Warra wrote
Rod wrote I don't use either, Your problem. and for good reason. Nope, mindless paranoia, actually. You can get scammed with online transactions too. Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem. You may be in the right and you may eventually get your money but who needs the hassle? You're assuming that there is any hassle. And you can get hassles with bricks and mortar stores too. |
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Warra wrote
Rod wrote Find a cheaper PCI SATA adaptor on ebay. ebay? No thank you. I find it goes like this on ebay: œ1 for the PCI SATA card. œ5 postage. œ5 to œ10 for the time to complete a transaction and swap emails and check credentials and confirm goods against description. œ10 to chase spotty-faced ****** selling the item about delays. œ10 for angst, grief and general wot-****ing-mess-this-is. You clearly havent actually got a clue about using ebay. There are plenty of commercial retail operations that sell stuff on ebay and it isnt hard to work out which ones those are using the feedback rating. And if you cant find that card in a bricks and mortar operation in that soggy little island of yours for a decent price, http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?...&btnG=Search+F roogle&scoring=p you could get real radical and order it from somewhere outside your country from a bricks and mortar operation that has decent prices. Postage doesnt cost much on something like that. And even then you find the card prolly does not work (whatever price is asked). "I'll give you your œ1 back then mate and pay the postage - you can't say fairer than that." **** off sonny, after all the hassle I just want a working card. Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look in the eyes of those of us that have bought plenty of stuff like that off ebay and havent got anything like the result you got ? You are right that lots of people use eBay happily. Yep, they wouldnt have the volume they do get if most got dudded. But that has not been my experience. Then you should get a clue and work out which of the ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all. You say I look silly here. I also look damn silly too to the vendors who have cost me money and have not given me the goods as described! They love silly people. Then you should get a clue and work out which of the ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all. Better to look silly to you than to look silly and lose money to an dodgy eBay vendor. There aint just those two alternatives. Also, if I factor in the costs of time and effort in managing an ebay purchase then I feel I could save that hassle for the cost of spending an extra bit of cash at a local store. You were the one whining about how much they want for that particular card you wanted to buy. At least I get my goods and, thoeretically, I have somewhere to go if they are defective. Pity that you are the one whining about how much they want for that particular card you wanted to buy. |
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"Warra" wrote Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset? I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets. Google for the info if you don't believe, If you Google, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A... http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html 62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok. -- Ed Light Smiley :-/ MS Smiley :-\ Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org |
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"Ed Light" wrote in message news:2Ezpg.1317$RD.591@fed1read08... "Warra" wrote Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset? I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets. Google for the info if you don't believe, If you Google, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A... http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html 62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok. Though not if your soundcard sputters when your hd is loaded up. -- Ed Light Smiley :-/ MS Smiley :-\ Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org |
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