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Old January 10th 07, 02:41 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
System 4
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000 pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...


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Old January 10th 07, 03:00 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Jay B
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windowsinstallation

sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000 pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...


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Old January 10th 07, 03:11 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
S.Lewis
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation


"Jay B" wrote in message
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sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system crashes?
could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?


I favor the overheating idea, as those heatsinks must be flush and the clips
snapped tight. However, I didn't note the OP had done anything at all to the
CPU, so that might not be it.

Could be the new(er) power supplies. Does the original PS still work by any
chance? If so, try it.

Could be any of the new drives. I'd disconnect all unneeded drives from both
data and power, remove any cards and try a minimal boot to start.......

Stew


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Old January 10th 07, 03:20 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
System 4
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat sink, or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000

pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as

soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...




  #5  
Old January 10th 07, 03:24 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
System 4
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

S. Lewis:

Just threaded to Jay B.
In response your questions ...
I only installed the floppy, cd/rw and master drive to load the OS
the new dvd rom and slave drive are not hooked up yet.
Oh ...the memory is new as well .. 2 sticks - ps133 512mb.

I guess I'll have to find a good heat sink and toss the shroud as well ...
Any suggestions?

Thanks.

"S.Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system

crashes?
could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?


I favor the overheating idea, as those heatsinks must be flush and the

clips
snapped tight. However, I didn't note the OP had done anything at all to

the
CPU, so that might not be it.

Could be the new(er) power supplies. Does the original PS still work by

any
chance? If so, try it.

Could be any of the new drives. I'd disconnect all unneeded drives from

both
data and power, remove any cards and try a minimal boot to start.......

Stew




  #6  
Old January 10th 07, 03:39 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Jay B
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windowsinstallation

i would never ever run any computer again without a valid heat sink, fan
and shroud. instant death.
i've been there, done that, its works for the older 486's but not for
these hotter pentiums. they need to be kept cool.



System 4 wrote:
Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat sink, or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000

pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as

soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...




  #7  
Old January 10th 07, 03:54 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
System 4
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

Jay B.

Curiously, I have 4 - AMD 3200 socket A systems with Gigabyte motherboards,
3 hard drives, card readers, dvd rws and an assortment of 6.1 to 7.1 sound
cards and BFG graphic cards & all the bells and whistles including custom
wire connectors etc.
Every one was bench constructed without a heat sink.
I did that to make sure the stuff worked because the cases are custom as
well.
Remember the old Super Flower aluminum cases with windows on both sides?
Find the fan wires! ... it was tricky, but they look phenomenal ...
I will admit ... the room I use for building and upgrading has it's own ac
system.
It gets mighty cold in there.

I guess I'll have to find a good heat sink for this machine, but I have no
idea what to use for a socket 370.

Paul


"Jay B" wrote in message
...
i would never ever run any computer again without a valid heat sink, fan
and shroud. instant death.
i've been there, done that, its works for the older 486's but not for
these hotter pentiums. they need to be kept cool.



System 4 wrote:
Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was

damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first

drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat

sink, or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000

pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as

soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...






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Old January 10th 07, 04:52 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Ben Myers
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400 (and other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4" wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat sink, or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000

pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as

soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...



  #9  
Old January 10th 07, 05:05 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
System 4
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention modules for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a copper heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it

with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400 (and

other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"

wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was

damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first

drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat sink,

or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000

pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as

soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I

think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...





  #10  
Old January 10th 07, 05:06 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
S.Lewis
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Default Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400 (and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers



I'm not sure that both the retention module (base), the heatsink, and the
clips are not all proprietary; in fact, I believe they may be.

The heatsink literally snaps into the retention module (which has snap tabs)
and the module also is slotted for the (2) green plastic clips.

In theory, the clips aren't even needed as the heatsink is very tight when
snapped in place on both sides.

The OP is going to a lot of trouble for a very replaceable machine.
Honestly, they weren't that good when new, imo.


Stew



 




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