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"Robert Myers" wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 12:51 pm, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
I guarantee you that, whatever the potential health hazards posed by WiFi,
GSM, etc. may be, there are orders of magnitudes more lives saved by
wireless
technology than lost due to it.
I don't know. How often do you drive around people who drive will
using a wireless gadget? I think I'd want to do some research before
making any guarantees.

It's a money-back guarantee, where if I'm wrong, I give you back all the money
you paid for my opinion. :-)

"Joel Koltner" wrote in message
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"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
b.home.nl...
However if the world turns into one big cancer infected place because of
all the mobile phones and wifi's and gsm's and so forth than nope

I guarantee you that, whatever the potential health hazards posed by WiFi,
GSM, etc. may be, there are orders of magnitudes more lives saved by
wireless technology than lost due to it.

What kind of hog-wash is this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

In article me.nl,
Skybuck Flying wrote:

I guarantee you that, whatever the potential health hazards posed by WiFi,
GSM, etc. may be, there are orders of magnitudes more lives saved by
wireless technology than lost due to it.

What kind of hog-wash is this ?

I suspect that Joel was referring to (e.g.) the number of lives which
have been saved, because somebody was able to call for help quickly on
a cellular telephone, rather than having to drive five miles down the
road to the nearest vandalized payphone. Getting help on the way one
or two minutes faster makes a big difference in the survival rates for
severe trauma, heart attacks, etc.

Skybuck, before you go accusing WiFi and cellphones and wireless in
general of causing cancer, you really ought to do some actual
*research* on the subject, OK? Go look up the actual studied
published in the last five years, and see if there's any real
correlation between the use of these technologies, and the incidence
of cancer in their users.

I realize that actually doing research (even second-hand) would take
time away from gaming... but you might find it enlightening enough to
be worthwhile.

[And, for crying out loud, Steve Jobs did *not* invent cellphones or
WiFi, and I don't know of any evidence to suggest that the
availability of the iPhone has increased cell-phone usage above what
it would have been if the iPhone had never existed. You really ought
to have a good reason to issue oaths of damnation against somebody!]

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On 6/10/2010 12:15 AM, Dave Platt wrote:


[And, for crying out loud, Steve Jobs did *not* invent cellphones or
WiFi, and I don't know of any evidence to suggest that the
availability of the iPhone has increased cell-phone usage above what
it would have been if the iPhone had never existed. You really ought
to have a good reason to issue oaths of damnation against somebody!]


Given the well documented problems of the iPhone on AT&T's network, it
may have even reduced the number of calls, well completed calls anyway ;-)
--
Nik Simpson

"Dave Platt" wrote in message
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In article me.nl,
Skybuck Flying wrote:

I guarantee you that, whatever the potential health hazards posed by
WiFi,
GSM, etc. may be, there are orders of magnitudes more lives saved by
wireless technology than lost due to it.

What kind of hog-wash is this ?

I suspect that Joel was referring to (e.g.) the number of lives which
have been saved, because somebody was able to call for help quickly on
a cellular telephone, rather than having to drive five miles down the
road to the nearest vandalized payphone. Getting help on the way one
or two minutes faster makes a big difference in the survival rates for
severe trauma, heart attacks, etc.

Ok valid points, but I prefer not to get into such situations in the first
place:

1. Accidents along the road, don't be on the road, don't be in car, or plane
or bus etc.

2. Stay healthy, eat healthy, breath healthy, be healthy.


Skybuck, before you go accusing WiFi and cellphones and wireless in
general of causing cancer, you really ought to do some actual
*research* on the subject, OK? Go look up the actual studied
published in the last five years, and see if there's any real
correlation between the use of these technologies, and the incidence
of cancer in their users.

I suspect that the energy in the wifi/gsm/wireless signals go through the
human body and might trigger DNA changes to certain cells/parts of the body.

The problem is that scientists probably can't scan the entire body for these
changes ?!

If they could scan for such changes then maybe they could prove that
wireless energy is indeed causing DNA changes and therefore could increase
the risk of cancer.

I realize that actually doing research (even second-hand) would take
time away from gaming... but you might find it enlightening enough to
be worthwhile.

I don't game as much as I used to... mostly because pirates like me have
been cut-off from online gaming

And also maybe I grown out of it a bit

Ofcourse I will play Doom 4, Quake 5, Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, Call of
Juarez 3 (maybe), Alien vs Predator 2 remake, Company of Hero's 4 (maybe
even the free online version) and Red Alert 4 (Mostly/especially if they
have new graphics technology and perhaps even sound technology )

Those games are manditory ! =D

[And, for crying out loud, Steve Jobs did *not* invent cellphones or
WiFi, and I don't know of any evidence to suggest that the
availability of the iPhone has increased cell-phone usage above what
it would have been if the iPhone had never existed. You really ought
to have a good reason to issue oaths of damnation against somebody!]

Steve Jobs is promoting iPhones/iPads/iPods/iMacs and what not... and
promoting all this wireless stuff... without even blinking about it or
thinking about it.
(And ofcourse integrating it into his products without even blinking or
thinking about it )

So seriously he is too blame as well...

He would go free out/to heaven if he did the opposite: People watch out for
those wireless signals !

But nope... none of that... so that makes him guilty in my book !

Perhaps his own "inventions" will take care of him for all of us...

Perhaps he is driving a nice drive-by-wire car and soon he will face death
by wireless energy ****ing up his CAR !

Such irony would be sweet ! =D LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck =D

"nik Simpson" wrote in message
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On 6/10/2010 12:15 AM, Dave Platt wrote:


[And, for crying out loud, Steve Jobs did *not* invent cellphones or
WiFi, and I don't know of any evidence to suggest that the
availability of the iPhone has increased cell-phone usage above what
it would have been if the iPhone had never existed. You really ought
to have a good reason to issue oaths of damnation against somebody!]


Given the well documented problems of the iPhone on AT&T's network, it may
have even reduced the number of calls, well completed calls anyway ;-)

Yeah good point as well..

Bad wireless/mobile phone service might actually cause lives to be lost...

Instead of trying to get the damn mobile phone working, which ofcourse
fails...

One could have gone to the nearest real phone and get some decent service
and save lifes !

Bye,
Skybuck =D

"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
b.home.nl...
I suspect that the energy in the wifi/gsm/wireless signals go through the
human body and might trigger DNA changes to certain cells/parts of the body.

Yeah, you and plenty of other people.

It's been extensively researched; the results are generally somewhere between
"it seems quite harmless" and "pretty inconclusive, really hard to say." So
while no one would suggest it's 100% certain that such low-energy EM waves are
harmless, it does seem pretty clear that if they do create harm, it's a very,
VERY small risk in the grand scheme of things.

At some point you have to decide if the conveniences of modern technology are
worth the risk given science's best asesssment of what those risks are. None
of your great-great-great grandparents was ever killed by driving down an
interstate highway too fast... although it wouldn't have been unheard of for
them to be killed from something as simple a relatively small cut on, say,
their foot while walking along a beach that then became infected and
eventually killed them. But just as surely as they'd love to have had
penicillin -- thereby decreasing their risk of death -- they just as surely
would have liked automobiles, despite the well-known increase in the risk of
death from them (especially for young guys like *you*, Skybuck!).

Does it bother you to stand in front of a light bulb? You're getting
*hundreds* of watts there at *many terahertz* after all... makes your WiFi
gear seem absolutely puny!

The problem is that scientists probably can't scan the entire body for these
changes ?!

The problem is that when you're looking for causal effects down in the noise,
you need a lot of time and a lot of people to average results out enough to
draw any meaningful conclusions and hence such studies are quite expensive for
a questionable benefit.

I don't game as much as I used to... mostly because pirates like me have
been cut-off from online gaming

And also maybe I grown out of it a bit

Would it be too much to ask that you've grown to appreciate that theft of
intellectual property is just about as bad as theft of material goods?

---Joel

What I am worried about is that wifi/gsm/umts signals might become the
"asbest" of the 21th century.

Asbest is very dangerous and cancerous if only they had known better back in
those days it wouldn't have become such a major problem/plague.

It seems none-of-the-lessons of asbest have been learned by electronics
industry.

And no I do not feel guilty about downloading games of which I know that I
would have never bought them anyway...

Bye,
Skybuck.

On Jun 11, 7:15*pm, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message

b.home.nl...

I suspect that the energy in the wifi/gsm/wireless signals go through the
human body and might trigger DNA changes to certain cells/parts of the body.

Yeah, you and plenty of other people.

It's been extensively researched; the results are generally somewhere between
"it seems quite harmless" and "pretty inconclusive, really hard to say." *So
while no one would suggest it's 100% certain that such low-energy EM waves are
harmless, it does seem pretty clear that if they do create harm, it's a very,
VERY small risk in the grand scheme of things.

At some point you have to decide if the conveniences of modern technology are
worth the risk given science's best asesssment of what those risks are. *None
of your great-great-great grandparents was ever killed by driving down an
interstate highway too fast... although it wouldn't have been unheard of for
them to be killed from something as simple a relatively small cut on, say,
their foot while walking along a beach that then became infected and
eventually killed them. *But just as surely as they'd love to have had
penicillin -- thereby decreasing their risk of death -- they just as surely
would have liked automobiles, despite the well-known increase in the risk of
death from them (especially for young guys like *you*, Skybuck!).

Does it bother you to stand in front of a light bulb? *You're getting
*hundreds* of watts there at *many terahertz* after all... makes your WiFi
gear seem absolutely puny!


As a professor of chemistry at one of our lesser local institutions
pompously informed me, photons from cell phone radiation aren't strong
enough to break the relevant chemical bonds (like, gosh, I never would
have known from all that time studying physics), thus leading to
possible mutations. What apparently didn't occur to him is that
structural kinetics of proteins *could* be affected by the relatively
low energy but coherent radiation from wireless devices. It would be
really premature to conclude that there is no risk. People were dying
of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow disease) in significant
numbers by the time clinicians opened their minds wide enough to
accept prions as a cause.

I agree that the kind of wild speculation you are responding to is
unhelpful, but the history of environmental hazards to health is
littered with premature dismissals of potential risks.

Robert.

On 2010-06-08, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Is this the end of Windows because it doesn't work on ARM processors ?

wince.


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