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About the AGP bus
Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for
how many time? Thanks in advance, Silva |
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NSA wrote:
Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? Thanks in advance, Silva I think I get what he's asking. To the best of my knowledge, NVIDIA is committted to AGP for at least 2005. Right now we're going through a transition period like when PCI was overtaken by AGP. ATI is a little different, since they actually do build their own cards and sell the design as well. I'm not sure how much they have invested in legacy formats. I would think they'd exploit any gap NVIDIA leaves by jumping to PCI-E sooner. Since NVIDIA only sells the design and has a full bridge chip for PCI-E, they can simply make any new design they want and it's up to OEM's and graphics card manufacturers to complete the design. Manufacturers have always had great leeway with design interpretation, anything within the NVIDIA component QA program, AGP or not would qualify. Since the FX though, most manufacturers have stuck to a strict reference design and customized only the heatsink/cooling solution, with obvious exceptions like the "5900ZT" or 64-bit bus alterations. Overall, I think you'll see NVIDIA very rapidly promote PCI-E as _THE_ solution to a lot of problems, including bandwidth, multiple cards (SLI), power, cost, and unified video/system memory coming back with the TurboCache idea for low cost OEM PC's. |
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Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there
and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? |
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"YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. |
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"RaceFace" wrote in message
"YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. But more likely, the top end cards will all be PCIx, and mid to low range cards for AGP. McG. |
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McGrandpa wrote:
"RaceFace" wrote in message "YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. But more likely, the top end cards will all be PCIx, and mid to low range cards for AGP. PCI-E. Not PCIX, despite nvidia's "PCX" brand name. PCIX is a 64-bit parallel bus that can accept regular PCI boards. It is different from PCI Express. McG. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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RaceFace wrote:
"YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. However new high performance motherboards that support AGP are going to be increasingly rare. Intel has dropped AGP support from their new chipsets entirely and nvidia, via, and sis seem to be following their lead. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... However new high performance motherboards that support AGP are going to be increasingly rare. Intel has dropped AGP support from their new chipsets entirely and nvidia, via, and sis seem to be following their lead. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Already? Wow. Ok with me though - unless my system blows up (knock wood) I'm fine for another couple years before I need to think about upgrading. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
McGrandpa wrote: "RaceFace" wrote in message "YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. But more likely, the top end cards will all be PCIx, and mid to low range cards for AGP. PCI-E. Not PCIX, despite nvidia's "PCX" brand name. PCIX is a 64-bit parallel bus that can accept regular PCI boards. It is different from PCI Express. McG. Ah, right. Thanks Of course I didn't know that. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... RaceFace wrote: "YanquiDawg" wrote in message ... Probably a couple more years.There are millions of AGP motherboards out there and they are still being made. Hi all, nVidia, ATI and all other graphics cards, will produce AGP cards for how many time? I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards, network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for a while yet. At least a couple years. However new high performance motherboards that support AGP are going to be increasingly rare. Intel has dropped AGP support from their new chipsets entirely and nvidia, via, and sis seem to be following their lead. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) It makes sense to them to make people think they have to have PCI-e now. System builders are building systems from scratch and don't have to worry about users wanting to use some of their current build. Untill PCI-E is proven, reliable and actually produces significantly better performance than AGP systems there is no reason to see PCI-e as a "must have". And anyway we've heard all this before from Intel about AGP. Improving the speed of using "system memory" is not that important as graphics cards get more and more fast onboard memory. A graphics card which users AGPx8 without accessing system memory is better than a PCI-e card which does. |
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