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GT520 and 1920x1080
HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at
1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television. However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for 1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree. Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on. Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at 1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!! Thanks Steve |
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HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at 1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television. However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for 1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree. Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on. Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at 1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!! Thanks Steve Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ? Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn it happens to have in its panel ? What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using the information coming from the monitor, to set the max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor. computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+ | ---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+ I could be lying..." To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry" when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time while you're sitting there. And allows you to review what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms of what it supports. http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution past what it supported. So you'd want to do this while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor. computer --------- monitor used while fooling around --------- sammy, on the second video output port Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering custom resolution settings. It is available for evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember. And is useful on display devices that don't have EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings work (front porch, back porch, screen width, all that jazz). # Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine) # Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline So if you've never evaluated this software before, give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor actually supports a better setting. Rather than crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls for some things (so you can center the display). http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm In the dim and distant past, there were TV sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface" EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words, *always* forcing resampling on the way to the panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping, so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution, the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the max resolution setting. Let's hope you have one of those TV sets, and not one of the sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing worse than being forced to resample text pixels all the time, and seeing blurry fonts. If you need further help, post either the complete model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that points to the user manual for it. You can usually get a PDF version of the user manual from the TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to resample. For no good reason. Good luck, Paul |
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Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post.
I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back. For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK Thanks once again - a top class reply Cheers Steve On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:21:52 -0400, Paul wrote: Steve wrote: HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at 1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television. However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for 1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree. Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on. Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at 1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!! Thanks Steve Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ? Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn it happens to have in its panel ? What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using the information coming from the monitor, to set the max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor. computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+ | ---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+ I could be lying..." To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry" when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time while you're sitting there. And allows you to review what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms of what it supports. http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution past what it supported. So you'd want to do this while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor. computer --------- monitor used while fooling around --------- sammy, on the second video output port Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering custom resolution settings. It is available for evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember. And is useful on display devices that don't have EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings work (front porch, back porch, screen width, all that jazz). # Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine) # Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline So if you've never evaluated this software before, give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor actually supports a better setting. Rather than crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls for some things (so you can center the display). http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm In the dim and distant past, there were TV sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface" EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words, *always* forcing resampling on the way to the panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping, so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution, the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the max resolution setting. Let's hope you have one of those TV sets, and not one of the sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing worse than being forced to resample text pixels all the time, and seeing blurry fonts. If you need further help, post either the complete model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that points to the user manual for it. You can usually get a PDF version of the user manual from the TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to resample. For no good reason. Good luck, Paul |
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Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the
following Monitor Model name............... SAMSUNG Manufacturer............. Samsung Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902 Serial number............ n/a Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41 Filter driver............ None ------------------------- EDID revision............ 1.3 Input signal type........ Digital Color bit depth.......... Undefined Display type............. RGB color Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in) Power management......... Not supported Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT) ------------------------- DDC/CI................... Not supported Color characteristics Default color space...... Non-sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060 White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329 Additional descriptors... None Timing characteristics Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz CVT standard............. Not supported GTF standard............. Not supported Additional descriptors... None Preferred timing......... Yes Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768 771 774 798 +hsync +vsync Standard timings supported 720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II 640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA 640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA 832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA 1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA 1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD EIA/CEA-861 Information Revision number.......... 3 IT underscan............. Supported Basic audio.............. Supported YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported Native formats........... 1 Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native] 1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45) 1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45) NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001 CE audio data (formats supported) LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz CE speaker allocation data Channel configuration.... 2.0 Front left/right......... Yes Front LFE................ No Front center............. No Rear left/right.......... No Rear center.............. No Front left/right center.. No Rear left/right center... No Rear LFE................. No CE video capability data CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan PT scan behavior......... Not supported RGB quantization range... Not supported YCC quantization range... Not supported CE vendor specific data (VSDB) IEEE registration number. 0x000C03 CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0 Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes Supports 48bpp........... No Supports 36bpp........... Yes Supports 30bpp........... Yes Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes Supports dual-link DVI... No Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz Report information Date generated........... 30/10/2013 Software revision........ 2.70.0.989 Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071 Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1 Raw data 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4C,2D,02,09,00,00,00,00,29 ,15,01,03,80,59,32,78,0A,EE,91,A3,54,4C,99,26, 0F,50,54,BD,EF,80,71,4F,81,C0,81,00,81,80,95,00,A9 ,C0,B3,00,01,01,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C, 45,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,66,21,56,AA,51,00,1E,30,46 ,8F,33,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,18, 4B,0F,51,17,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00 ,53,41,4D,53,55,4E,47,0A,20,20,20,20,20,01,A6, 02,03,25,F1,4D,90,1F,04,13,05,14,03,12,20,21,22,07 ,16,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00,E2,00,0F,67,03,0C, 00,10,00,B8,2D,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80 ,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58, 2C,25,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20 ,B8,28,55,40,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,01,1D,00,72,51, D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,EC Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and therefore easier to manage data !! Cheers Steve On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve wrote: Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post. I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back. For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK Thanks once again - a top class reply Cheers Steve On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:21:52 -0400, Paul wrote: Steve wrote: HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at 1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television. However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for 1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree. Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on. Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at 1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!! Thanks Steve Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ? Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn it happens to have in its panel ? What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using the information coming from the monitor, to set the max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor. computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+ | ---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+ I could be lying..." To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry" when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time while you're sitting there. And allows you to review what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms of what it supports. http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution past what it supported. So you'd want to do this while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor. computer --------- monitor used while fooling around --------- sammy, on the second video output port Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering custom resolution settings. It is available for evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember. And is useful on display devices that don't have EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings work (front porch, back porch, screen width, all that jazz). # Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine) # Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline So if you've never evaluated this software before, give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor actually supports a better setting. Rather than crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls for some things (so you can center the display). http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm In the dim and distant past, there were TV sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface" EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words, *always* forcing resampling on the way to the panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping, so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution, the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the max resolution setting. Let's hope you have one of those TV sets, and not one of the sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing worse than being forced to resample text pixels all the time, and seeing blurry fonts. If you need further help, post either the complete model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that points to the user manual for it. You can usually get a PDF version of the user manual from the TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to resample. For no good reason. Good luck, Paul |
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Steve wrote:
Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the following Monitor Model name............... SAMSUNG Manufacturer............. Samsung Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902 Serial number............ n/a Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41 Filter driver............ None ------------------------- EDID revision............ 1.3 Input signal type........ Digital Color bit depth.......... Undefined Display type............. RGB color Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in) Power management......... Not supported Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT) ------------------------- DDC/CI................... Not supported Color characteristics Default color space...... Non-sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060 White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329 Additional descriptors... None Timing characteristics Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz CVT standard............. Not supported GTF standard............. Not supported Additional descriptors... None Preferred timing......... Yes Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768 771 774 798 +hsync +vsync Standard timings supported 720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II 640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA 640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA 832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA 1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA 1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD EIA/CEA-861 Information Revision number.......... 3 IT underscan............. Supported Basic audio.............. Supported YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported Native formats........... 1 Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native] 1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45) 1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45) NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001 CE audio data (formats supported) LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz CE speaker allocation data Channel configuration.... 2.0 Front left/right......... Yes Front LFE................ No Front center............. No Rear left/right.......... No Rear center.............. No Front left/right center.. No Rear left/right center... No Rear LFE................. No CE video capability data CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan PT scan behavior......... Not supported RGB quantization range... Not supported YCC quantization range... Not supported CE vendor specific data (VSDB) IEEE registration number. 0x000C03 CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0 Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes Supports 48bpp........... No Supports 36bpp........... Yes Supports 30bpp........... Yes Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes Supports dual-link DVI... No Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz Report information Date generated........... 30/10/2013 Software revision........ 2.70.0.989 Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071 Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1 Raw data 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4C,2D,02,09,00,00,00,00,29 ,15,01,03,80,59,32,78,0A,EE,91,A3,54,4C,99,26, 0F,50,54,BD,EF,80,71,4F,81,C0,81,00,81,80,95,00,A9 ,C0,B3,00,01,01,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C, 45,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,66,21,56,AA,51,00,1E,30,46 ,8F,33,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,18, 4B,0F,51,17,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00 ,53,41,4D,53,55,4E,47,0A,20,20,20,20,20,01,A6, 02,03,25,F1,4D,90,1F,04,13,05,14,03,12,20,21,22,07 ,16,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00,E2,00,0F,67,03,0C, 00,10,00,B8,2D,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80 ,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58, 2C,25,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20 ,B8,28,55,40,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,01,1D,00,72,51, D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,EC Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and therefore easier to manage data !! Cheers Steve On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve wrote: Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post. I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back. For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK Thanks once again - a top class reply Cheers Steve OK, here are the manuals. This one is generic http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...VBEU4E-ENG.pdf and this one is specific http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...06Eng-0727.pdf It was hard to tell from the download page, whether I got the right one for your TV or not. Yours is BK and this is just K, and I'm hoping the B refers to the exterior chassis color. UE40EH5000K Downloads http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mo...KXXU-downloads ******* This part from your report, looks encouraging. Since the word "Native" is there, this tells me the TV is really 1920 physical pixels across. So I can forget about the idea it scales everything to fit a more inferior panel. This says, it should be working, and now you have to *insist* from the PC end, that this is how it's going to be. Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync The VESA modes ending with this one, that's annoying. If there had been a 1920 next in this section, you would have got the desired result immediately. I expect this is a standards overlap issue of some sort. (I.e. 1080p is a "movie" or "consumer video" mode, and not specific to PCs.) 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD I don't know the technical details, of whether VESA is supposed to have a "PC 1920" type entry or not. However, never fear, as the NVidia control panel has resolution adjustments, and you can add *new* resolutions there. If you look at this picture (captured using my older NVidia card with a regular computer monitor), you can see there is an option for modeline input. http://imageshack.us/a/img811/613/kf2.gif It's a matter of getting that info (the stuff from moninfo), into the Nvidia panel. Set the "Timing Standard" to "Manual", and you can key in the modeline. It's [Frequency] [four numbers for horizontal] [four numbers for vertical], in terms of what is encoded in the modeline. Your TV has two HDMI inputs, one of which is labeled as "DVI", and it's possible the response of the two differs somehow. It could be that "DVI" implies DVI compatibility mode, or maybe it's saying something about HDCP. Not really sure. In the past, some TVs labeled a connector as "PC", and maybe "DVI" means the same sort of thing. Also, the manual makes no mention of HDCP, but I presume given the year of manufacturer, it's in there. HDCP is used to scramble the signals on the HDMI cable, so a "pirate" can't copy movie content. That should be negotiated automatically, between monitor device and video card. If Windows discovers HDCP is not running, then funny things may happen when using a video player application full screen. I expect this is yet another blip in the (slightly lacking) user manual. It could be that they consider HDMI to imply HDCP, and so they don't need to put the word in the manual. You have component input on the TV as well, but I don't see a reason to be even thinking about that now. My older NVidia card has the mini-DIN connector on the front, and that's one way of getting there. Newer cards dispense with component output. It's a kind of anti-consumer move. I like having the option there, for emergencies when nothing else is working for me. ******* I think you'll be able to fix this without PowerStrip. Give the NVidia Control Panel a try. Paul |
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:07:03 -0400, Paul wrote:
Steve wrote: Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the following Monitor Model name............... SAMSUNG Manufacturer............. Samsung Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902 Serial number............ n/a Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41 Filter driver............ None ------------------------- EDID revision............ 1.3 Input signal type........ Digital Color bit depth.......... Undefined Display type............. RGB color Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in) Power management......... Not supported Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT) ------------------------- DDC/CI................... Not supported Color characteristics Default color space...... Non-sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060 White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329 Additional descriptors... None Timing characteristics Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz CVT standard............. Not supported GTF standard............. Not supported Additional descriptors... None Preferred timing......... Yes Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768 771 774 798 +hsync +vsync Standard timings supported 720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA 640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II 640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA 640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA 800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA 832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA 1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA 1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA 1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II 1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD EIA/CEA-861 Information Revision number.......... 3 IT underscan............. Supported Basic audio.............. Supported YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported Native formats........... 1 Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native] 1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45) 1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) 720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27) 720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45) NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001 CE audio data (formats supported) LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz CE speaker allocation data Channel configuration.... 2.0 Front left/right......... Yes Front LFE................ No Front center............. No Rear left/right.......... No Rear center.............. No Front left/right center.. No Rear left/right center... No Rear LFE................. No CE video capability data CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan PT scan behavior......... Not supported RGB quantization range... Not supported YCC quantization range... Not supported CE vendor specific data (VSDB) IEEE registration number. 0x000C03 CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0 Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes Supports 48bpp........... No Supports 36bpp........... Yes Supports 30bpp........... Yes Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes Supports dual-link DVI... No Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz Report information Date generated........... 30/10/2013 Software revision........ 2.70.0.989 Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071 Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1 Raw data 00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4C,2D,02,09,00,00,00,00,29 ,15,01,03,80,59,32,78,0A,EE,91,A3,54,4C,99,26, 0F,50,54,BD,EF,80,71,4F,81,C0,81,00,81,80,95,00,A9 ,C0,B3,00,01,01,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C, 45,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,66,21,56,AA,51,00,1E,30,46 ,8F,33,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,18, 4B,0F,51,17,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00 ,53,41,4D,53,55,4E,47,0A,20,20,20,20,20,01,A6, 02,03,25,F1,4D,90,1F,04,13,05,14,03,12,20,21,22,07 ,16,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00,E2,00,0F,67,03,0C, 00,10,00,B8,2D,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80 ,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58, 2C,25,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20 ,B8,28,55,40,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,01,1D,00,72,51, D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,EC Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and therefore easier to manage data !! Cheers Steve On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve wrote: Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post. I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back. For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK Thanks once again - a top class reply Cheers Steve OK, here are the manuals. This one is generic http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...VBEU4E-ENG.pdf and this one is specific http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...06Eng-0727.pdf It was hard to tell from the download page, whether I got the right one for your TV or not. Yours is BK and this is just K, and I'm hoping the B refers to the exterior chassis color. UE40EH5000K Downloads http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mo...KXXU-downloads ******* This part from your report, looks encouraging. Since the word "Native" is there, this tells me the TV is really 1920 physical pixels across. So I can forget about the idea it scales everything to fit a more inferior panel. This says, it should be working, and now you have to *insist* from the PC end, that this is how it's going to be. Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9) Modeline... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync The VESA modes ending with this one, that's annoying. If there had been a 1920 next in this section, you would have got the desired result immediately. I expect this is a standards overlap issue of some sort. (I.e. 1080p is a "movie" or "consumer video" mode, and not specific to PCs.) 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD I don't know the technical details, of whether VESA is supposed to have a "PC 1920" type entry or not. However, never fear, as the NVidia control panel has resolution adjustments, and you can add *new* resolutions there. If you look at this picture (captured using my older NVidia card with a regular computer monitor), you can see there is an option for modeline input. http://imageshack.us/a/img811/613/kf2.gif It's a matter of getting that info (the stuff from moninfo), into the Nvidia panel. Set the "Timing Standard" to "Manual", and you can key in the modeline. It's [Frequency] [four numbers for horizontal] [four numbers for vertical], in terms of what is encoded in the modeline. Your TV has two HDMI inputs, one of which is labeled as "DVI", and it's possible the response of the two differs somehow. It could be that "DVI" implies DVI compatibility mode, or maybe it's saying something about HDCP. Not really sure. In the past, some TVs labeled a connector as "PC", and maybe "DVI" means the same sort of thing. Also, the manual makes no mention of HDCP, but I presume given the year of manufacturer, it's in there. HDCP is used to scramble the signals on the HDMI cable, so a "pirate" can't copy movie content. That should be negotiated automatically, between monitor device and video card. If Windows discovers HDCP is not running, then funny things may happen when using a video player application full screen. I expect this is yet another blip in the (slightly lacking) user manual. It could be that they consider HDMI to imply HDCP, and so they don't need to put the word in the manual. You have component input on the TV as well, but I don't see a reason to be even thinking about that now. My older NVidia card has the mini-DIN connector on the front, and that's one way of getting there. Newer cards dispense with component output. It's a kind of anti-consumer move. I like having the option there, for emergencies when nothing else is working for me. ******* I think you'll be able to fix this without PowerStrip. Give the NVidia Control Panel a try. Paul Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest resolution available is 1680x1050. As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD & 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this. Regards Steve |
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Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest resolution available is 1680x1050. As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD & 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this. Regards Steve The NVidia control panel, should have the regular resolution setting section, as well as the custom one. If it claims the regular resolution setting section has it, then it should have been showing up there. (Maybe the control panel is relying on EDID, and won't accept an over-range spec ?) You would think if the NVidia control panel was rejecting the custom setting, it would say as much. Or, maybe it implies we're looking in the wrong part of the NVidia control panel, and we should be looking for a "TV section". I vaguely remember a long time ago, when HD first came out, there was a separate section for dealing with HD resolutions. That may have been on the old (classic) Nvidia control panel or something. The TV set has two choices: 1) You use the NVIDIA custom resolution, set to 1920x1080 via modeline, and a picture of some sort is displayed. That at least, proves the frequencies involved, are "in range". 2) You do the 1920x1080 res, and the OSD on the TV set says "out of range". That then, tells you the TV has rejected the settings. While you could make a typing mistake in the NVidia control panel, or the NVidia driver could do something stupid, this is kinda reinforcing that the TV isn't going to accept that resolution choice. Multisync protection in display devices, measures the frequency, and rejects things which are too high. If you're a match on (1), then it's time to have a look at the TV OSD interface, and see if some setting there is lacking. The manual says there are some scaling settings, such as 25% shrink or 50% shrink or the like. Implying there may be some ways on the TV end, to screw up the picture. Try both HDMI connectors, and see if they give the same response. They both likely use the same EDID chip output, to provide info to the computer. I don't know what else to suggest at this point, short of using an "EDID faker box". Normally, those are only needed to coerce projection setups into doing the right thing. (Projection devices typically don't have EDID, and the NVidia control panel will limit output to say 1024x768 in that case.) But you have a working EDID, judging by the table that ends at 1680. The curious part is why that table doesn't have a 1920. I can't imagine one HDMI having a different EDID than the other, but maybe that's the case. (You can get off-brand ones for less than this... This presents a fake EDID to the computer, to allow the computer to send higher than 1024x768. If TV normally sends 1680, this box can say "I support 1920, honest I do", and then the NVidia control panel "snaps to attention".) http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-ed...p?prod_id=8005 With the two HDMI input ports, make sure no other HDMIs are connected while you're working on this problem. Use one HDMI and leave the other one unused, while testing. Just in case they did something strange like share the EDID bus over the two connectors. If you had an XBOX connected to one HDMI while testing computer on the other HDMI, try disconnecting the XBOX and testing with just the computer. ******* There's an example of a "cannot be added" here, but probably for different reasons. Based on the moninfo content, I don't really see changing driver versions, as causing it to behave any differently. The real question is whether a custom setting is allowed to bypass the perceived "limit" coming from EDID. https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...-21-163-75-ok/ Paul |
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:17:28 -0400, Paul wrote:
Steve wrote: Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest resolution available is 1680x1050. As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed 1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD & 1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this. Regards Steve The NVidia control panel, should have the regular resolution setting section, as well as the custom one. If it claims the regular resolution setting section has it, then it should have been showing up there. (Maybe the control panel is relying on EDID, and won't accept an over-range spec ?) You would think if the NVidia control panel was rejecting the custom setting, it would say as much. Or, maybe it implies we're looking in the wrong part of the NVidia control panel, and we should be looking for a "TV section". I vaguely remember a long time ago, when HD first came out, there was a separate section for dealing with HD resolutions. That may have been on the old (classic) Nvidia control panel or something. The TV set has two choices: 1) You use the NVIDIA custom resolution, set to 1920x1080 via modeline, and a picture of some sort is displayed. That at least, proves the frequencies involved, are "in range". 2) You do the 1920x1080 res, and the OSD on the TV set says "out of range". That then, tells you the TV has rejected the settings. While you could make a typing mistake in the NVidia control panel, or the NVidia driver could do something stupid, this is kinda reinforcing that the TV isn't going to accept that resolution choice. Multisync protection in display devices, measures the frequency, and rejects things which are too high. If you're a match on (1), then it's time to have a look at the TV OSD interface, and see if some setting there is lacking. The manual says there are some scaling settings, such as 25% shrink or 50% shrink or the like. Implying there may be some ways on the TV end, to screw up the picture. Try both HDMI connectors, and see if they give the same response. They both likely use the same EDID chip output, to provide info to the computer. I don't know what else to suggest at this point, short of using an "EDID faker box". Normally, those are only needed to coerce projection setups into doing the right thing. (Projection devices typically don't have EDID, and the NVidia control panel will limit output to say 1024x768 in that case.) But you have a working EDID, judging by the table that ends at 1680. The curious part is why that table doesn't have a 1920. I can't imagine one HDMI having a different EDID than the other, but maybe that's the case. (You can get off-brand ones for less than this... This presents a fake EDID to the computer, to allow the computer to send higher than 1024x768. If TV normally sends 1680, this box can say "I support 1920, honest I do", and then the NVidia control panel "snaps to attention".) http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-ed...p?prod_id=8005 With the two HDMI input ports, make sure no other HDMIs are connected while you're working on this problem. Use one HDMI and leave the other one unused, while testing. Just in case they did something strange like share the EDID bus over the two connectors. If you had an XBOX connected to one HDMI while testing computer on the other HDMI, try disconnecting the XBOX and testing with just the computer. ******* There's an example of a "cannot be added" here, but probably for different reasons. Based on the moninfo content, I don't really see changing driver versions, as causing it to behave any differently. The real question is whether a custom setting is allowed to bypass the perceived "limit" coming from EDID. https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...-21-163-75-ok/ Paul Hi Paul, you will not believe the answer to this which I have just stumbled upon. I simply renamed the HDMI2 connection to PC went into Windows and changed the resolution to 1920x1080 and it worked. I simply cannot believe how simple it was and how this is not clearly advised in the manual or elsewhere on the net. Once again thank you very much for your incredible knowledge on the subject and for taking the time to respond and help me. Kind regards Steve |
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