O/C speeds for Northwood 3.0 and 3.2

I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Presuming I push the overclocking on a Northwood 3.0 or 3.2 only as
far as to ensure I still maintain 100% stability, how much better off
will I be starting with a 3.2. Will they both go to the same FSB in
overlocking, or will the 3.0 achieve a faster FSB overclock due to the
lower multiplier and thus actually even out the benefit the 3.2 starts
with?

Thanks,
Roland

"Roland Wooster" wrote in message
om...
I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Let me start by saying that DDR500 and a P4C 3.2 are a bad combination. That
ram is rated at 250 fsb. With a multiplier of 16. you'd have to overclock
your cpu to 4 ghz, which is highly unlikely. At lower speeds the high
latency of PC4000 will give you less bandwidth than cheaper options.

There are several ways to go.

1.) A P4C 2.6 with PC4000 will run at 250x13=3.25ghz or a little higher.
With CAS 2 PC3500 running at 5:4 cpu:ram ratio you might get 3.4ghz or
better if the cpu can take it.

3.) A 3.2 with CAS 2 PC3500 should get you somewhere around 3.4 ghz. This is
probably the safest choice -- though it will also be the most expensive.

My rig:

P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Abit IC7
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

Hi Skid,
I'm planning to buy a P4 2.8C, ABIT IC7-Max3, Zalman 7000A-Cu. Would the
Mushkin PC4000 make sense for me? I'd like to go to 3.4GHz ( 245FSB). BTW,
case cooling should be great with a Lian-Li PC75 full tower. 2 - intake
fans lower front and 2 - exhaust fans upper rear with room for 2 more.
--
Tally Ho!
Ed
"Skid" wrote in message
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"Roland Wooster" wrote in message
om...
I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Let me start by saying that DDR500 and a P4C 3.2 are a bad combination.
That
ram is rated at 250 fsb. With a multiplier of 16. you'd have to overclock
your cpu to 4 ghz, which is highly unlikely. At lower speeds the high
latency of PC4000 will give you less bandwidth than cheaper options.

There are several ways to go.

1.) A P4C 2.6 with PC4000 will run at 250x13=3.25ghz or a little higher.
With CAS 2 PC3500 running at 5:4 cpu:ram ratio you might get 3.4ghz or
better if the cpu can take it.

3.) A 3.2 with CAS 2 PC3500 should get you somewhere around 3.4 ghz. This
is
probably the safest choice -- though it will also be the most expensive.

My rig:

P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Abit IC7
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

Let's see, where did I put that Magic 8-Ball. (Shake, shake, flip.)

"The future is uncertain."

Hmm. (Shake, shake, flip.)

"All signs positive."

The Magic 8-ball says go for it, but nothing is guaranteed.

"Ed Forsythe" wrote in message
...
Hi Skid,
I'm planning to buy a P4 2.8C, ABIT IC7-Max3, Zalman 7000A-Cu. Would the
Mushkin PC4000 make sense for me? I'd like to go to 3.4GHz ( 245FSB).
BTW,
case cooling should be great with a Lian-Li PC75 full tower. 2 - intake
fans lower front and 2 - exhaust fans upper rear with room for 2 more.
--
Tally Ho!
Ed
"Skid" wrote in message
news:IR5Vb.111457$U%5.570666@attbi_s03...
"Roland Wooster" wrote in message
om...
I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Let me start by saying that DDR500 and a P4C 3.2 are a bad combination.
That
ram is rated at 250 fsb. With a multiplier of 16. you'd have to
overclock
your cpu to 4 ghz, which is highly unlikely. At lower speeds the high
latency of PC4000 will give you less bandwidth than cheaper options.

There are several ways to go.

1.) A P4C 2.6 with PC4000 will run at 250x13=3.25ghz or a little higher.
With CAS 2 PC3500 running at 5:4 cpu:ram ratio you might get 3.4ghz or
better if the cpu can take it.

3.) A 3.2 with CAS 2 PC3500 should get you somewhere around 3.4 ghz.
This
is
probably the safest choice -- though it will also be the most expensive.

My rig:

P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Abit IC7
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

I have a 2.6c running at 255 X 13 for 3.3GHz since October 2003.

I'm using XMS 3500 that I bought well over a year ago. Memory is running at
205Mhz 6-2-2-2 with bandwidth (al la Sandra 2004) at more then 5800Mb/sec.

I use it constantly and it has hardly ever crashed. It replaced a couple of
NF2's at 2400+ Mhz I tried. The P4C is light years faster in day to day
apps. I have an NF2/AthlonXP at work with XMS memory, FSB at 180Mhz
(2250Mhz) and I wish I can replace it with a P4C. I have gotten very spoiled
multitasking on my home PC, on the Athlon its just not the same. Its much
slower in the real world.



"Skid" wrote in message
news:IR5Vb.111457$U%5.570666@attbi_s03...
"Roland Wooster" wrote in message
om...
I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Let me start by saying that DDR500 and a P4C 3.2 are a bad combination.
That
ram is rated at 250 fsb. With a multiplier of 16. you'd have to overclock
your cpu to 4 ghz, which is highly unlikely. At lower speeds the high
latency of PC4000 will give you less bandwidth than cheaper options.

There are several ways to go.

1.) A P4C 2.6 with PC4000 will run at 250x13=3.25ghz or a little higher.
With CAS 2 PC3500 running at 5:4 cpu:ram ratio you might get 3.4ghz or
better if the cpu can take it.

3.) A 3.2 with CAS 2 PC3500 should get you somewhere around 3.4 ghz. This
is
probably the safest choice -- though it will also be the most expensive.

My rig:

P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz
Abit IC7
4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

I have a P4 3.0 @ 3.6 on an IC&-G with Corsair PC4000. Seems like from what
I've read the 2.8, 3.0 & 3.2 can all be oc'd 400-600mhz.

"Roland Wooster" wrote in message
om...
I'm planning on building a system with overclocking in mind, I'm
looking at the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe with 1GB (2*512) Mushkin DDR 500
(PC4000) memory. I also want the system to be quiet so I'm planning to
go with the Zalman CNPS7000-CU CPU cooler.

Presuming I push the overclocking on a Northwood 3.0 or 3.2 only as
far as to ensure I still maintain 100% stability, how much better off
will I be starting with a 3.2. Will they both go to the same FSB in
overlocking, or will the 3.0 achieve a faster FSB overclock due to the
lower multiplier and thus actually even out the benefit the 3.2 starts
with?

Thanks,
Roland