Memory Timing Question

Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I was
out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that would help.
I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot after about 2
minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been running it all day and
it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does this mean I can't use
Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with
Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when
in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
and Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped Set;
4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry, but
you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your existing
OS and software installation should have been stable to start with (I
assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously described) AND
you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not from what you have
said - but in general overclocking terms, not particularly specific to the
8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz
respectively, every 1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz
for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed -
will increase the AGP frequency by a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus
frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite
flexible in this respect, not all PCI cards are and some might start to
fall over causing random reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to
only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been
designed for overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to
lock AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast
you can push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from
overclocking settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA.
Personally, I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time
before getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance at a
gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings which I
found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I haven't
made any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should always
try where possible to use drivers that have been certified (signed) by
Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft have cleverly
largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have been a lot in the
past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the time a faulty 3rd
party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops up asking you to
confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby passing the
responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have System Restore
or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are
probably the most common culprits in my experience - many graphics card
manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a few settings via
software drivers (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give
their cards the edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years
ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your problem.

Regards

Nick

No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU runs a
few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a Prescott
chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in an earlier
post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated to FJ with no
problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not Prescott compatible for
sure. That may be a possibility as well.

Nick

"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that would
help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot after
about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been running it
all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does this mean I
can't use Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with
Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when
in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
and Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your
existing OS and software installation should have been stable to start
with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously
described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not from
what you have said - but in general overclocking terms, not particularly
specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to
66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB -
normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to give 533 or
800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by a further
0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst most
modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not all PCI cards
are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots with a
moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like
many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some
extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to
66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and Memory.
SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c is not
recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried overclocking
with a degree of success a long time before getting this board, and yes,
it's a bit of fun to get something for nothing and to see how it's done,
but with this particular PC, I can't afford for it to fall over in the
middle of a band's live performance at a gig, so stability is paramount,
so apart from the memory timings which I found in December 2003 on the
Net and can't take credit for, I haven't made any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
(signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the
time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops
up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby
passing the responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have
System Restore or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics
card drivers are probably the most common culprits in my experience -
many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a
few settings via software drivers (probably still do in a more
sophisticated way) to give their cards the edge, and although I like
Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some
interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
problem.

Regards

Nick

Hey Nick,

Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love nor
money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed everything.
Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in the BIOS, I
still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said that I need to
expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced Computer Power
Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help but I'm going to
try it now.

Cheers.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU runs
a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a Prescott
chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in an earlier
post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated to FJ with
no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not Prescott
compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.

Nick

"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem
when in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
and Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
by board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your
existing OS and software installation should have been stable to start
with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously
described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not
from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms, not
particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to
give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by a
further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst
most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not all PCI
cards are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots with
a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like
many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some
extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to
66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and
Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c
is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried
overclocking with a degree of success a long time before getting this
board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for nothing and to
see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't afford for it to
fall over in the middle of a band's live performance at a gig, so
stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings which I found
in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I haven't made
any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
(signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the
time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the message
pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver,
thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you. You
always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you took
;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits in my
experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in particular -
used to tweak a few settings via software drivers (probably still do in
a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the edge, and although I
like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP) they used to give me
some interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
problem.

Regards

Nick

Well that was a waste of time. I didn't see any option to change it. Oh well
back to disabling it again.....lol.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love
nor money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed
everything. Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in
the BIOS, I still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said
that I need to expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced
Computer Power Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help
but I'm going to try it now.

Cheers.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU
runs a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a
Prescott chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in
an earlier post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated
to FJ with no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not
Prescott compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.

Nick

"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a
problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a
problem when in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset
features and Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
by board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
by board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to
date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though...
your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to
start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've
previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume
you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms,
not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU
to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by
a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz.
Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random
reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.).
The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for
overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP
and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can
push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking
settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally,
I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before
getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance
at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings
which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I
haven't made any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different
slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt
that this will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
(signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of
the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the
message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned
driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you.
You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you
took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits
in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in
particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers
(probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the
edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP)
they used to give me some interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
problem.

Regards

Nick

"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love
nor money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed
everything. Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in
the BIOS, I still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said
that I need to expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced
Computer Power Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help
but I'm going to try it now.

Cheers.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU
runs a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a
Prescott chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in
an earlier post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated
to FJ with no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not
Prescott compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.

Nick

"Si" wrote in message
...
Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" wrote in message
...
Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a
problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a
problem when in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset
features and Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
by board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
by board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to
date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though...
your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to
start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've
previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume
you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms,
not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU
to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by
a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz.
Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random
reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.).
The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for
overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP
and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can
push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking
settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally,
I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before
getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance
at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings
which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I
haven't made any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different
slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt
that this will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
(signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of
the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the
message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned
driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you.
You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you
took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits
in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in
particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers
(probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the
edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP)
they used to give me some interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
problem.

Regards

Nick










I upgraded to XP SP2 yesterday on my 8KNXP PC. That's made no difference to
the ACPI Multiprocessor PC setting that's present in my Device Manager
anyway. As I say my 3.0 GHz CPU is not a Prescott but it does support HT.
I have several other PCs with Prescott 2.8 GHz and Prescott 3.2GHz installed
and although they tend to run warmer, I've had no issues. 2 of these PC's
are based on Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-Pro boards (865 chipset) and the other is
based on an Asus P8P800-E-Deluxe board (also 865 chipset). All 3 are set up
as ACPI Multiprocessor PC.

I did have an issue of my own making ages ago on another PC (in fact it's
the one I'm typing this on), which originally ran Windows XP as a Standard
PC rather than ACPI Multiprocessor PC. I'd done it this way because it has
a Pinnacle DV500+ video editing card installed. It was very picky about
IRQ settings with earlier drivers and I wanted to take control of it rather
than it of me LOL. The only way I could do this was to set it up from a
clean install as a 'Standard PC' rather than 'ACPI'. You do this at the
very beginning of a clean install at the point when the text based part of
XP's Setup routine asks you to press F6 for any non-standard disk
controllers - and whilst it doesn't actually bother to mention it on-screen,
you can also press F5 which shortly gives you the option of specifying
Standard or ACPI or other settings. When I changed the CPU to a 3.06GHz HT
model and by which time the DV500 drivers were a little more XP friendly, I
wanted to run HT, and I ended up re-installing XP from scratch. However,
you can run a repair on Windows XP which will essentially replace the main
OS content files without removing your applications or other settings. Many
people use this method when transferring an existing installation on disk to
a new type of board. Basically you run the install routine from CD as you
would if you were installing from scratch. You'd press F5 and/or F6 at the
start of the routine. Let the setup run until it offers you the chance to
repair (this is the first of 2 such offers). Bypass that one and then when
the setup routine checks for existing Windows XP installations and finds
one, this will be your current installation - that's the one you should
repair. It will strip out all the main parts of the OS, copy the correct
files for your new configuration and then all you need to do is wait, enter
the product key details etc... and it should work as you've specified. It's
quite a big thing to take on though, so you should definitely make a Ghost
backup of your main system partition so that you can restore it if it all
goes horribly pear shaped.

Have you got a second hard drive you could run a clean install of XP on? A
little experiment here may confirm whether or not it's an OS problem because
of some legacy driver.

Nick