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  #1  
Old April 29th 12, 04:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Buffalo[_2_]
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Default Safe Mode Display

I am using Win2KProSp4 and a GeForce AGP 7600GT vid card and when I go into
Safe Mode, the display is tattered, torn up and I cannot really read the
letters on the Icons. When I move the mouse pointer, it cause tearing etc. I
did not have this problem before I installed this card.
I have reinstalled the vid drivers (very difficult because the tearing etc
in Normal mode is the same after I uninstall the vid drivers and reboot)
with the latest from Nvidea and also Omegaman's drivers.
I uninstalled the previous drivers, rebooted and than installed the drivers
again.
My old vid card was an ATI Radeon 8500 AGP and it did not cause the above
tearing etc when the drivers were removed. It seemed to have a basic VGA
driver that took over then.
I guess my question is that I wonder if there should be a default VGA driver
that would let that card work after I uninstall the videp drivers.
Thanks,
Buffalo


  #2  
Old April 29th 12, 09:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Frank
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Posts: 5
Default Safe Mode Display

Buffalo wrote:
I am using Win2KProSp4 and a GeForce AGP 7600GT vid card and when I go into
Safe Mode, the display is tattered, torn up and I cannot really read the
letters on the Icons. When I move the mouse pointer, it cause tearing etc. I
did not have this problem before I installed this card.
I have reinstalled the vid drivers (very difficult because the tearing etc
in Normal mode is the same after I uninstall the vid drivers and reboot)
with the latest from Nvidea and also Omegaman's drivers.
I uninstalled the previous drivers, rebooted and than installed the drivers
again.
My old vid card was an ATI Radeon 8500 AGP and it did not cause the above
tearing etc when the drivers were removed. It seemed to have a basic VGA
driver that took over then.
I guess my question is that I wonder if there should be a default VGA driver
that would let that card work after I uninstall the videp drivers.
Thanks,
Buffalo

I used to have the same symptoms a few years ago only I was using a
Nvidia Geforce2 MX AGP. The problem would occur from time to time when I
booted up my pc, and the tearing was present in Safe and Normal modes.
Even trying to reload the AGP drivers didn't fix it. The only way I
could restore to a normal display was to re-install Windows 2k (sp4). My
pc then worked ok for a while then the problem would eventually return
when the pc was booted. In the end I managed to track down rhe cause,
and it was down to the chipset drivers supplied by Dell for my Dell pc.
My solution was not to install these but to let Windows 2k generic
drivers take care of the chipset. I'vs had no repeat of the problem since.
  #3  
Old April 29th 12, 11:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Buffalo[_2_]
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Posts: 98
Default Safe Mode Display



Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
I am using Win2KProSp4 and a GeForce AGP 7600GT vid card and when I
go into Safe Mode, the display is tattered, torn up and I cannot
really read the letters on the Icons. When I move the mouse pointer,
it cause tearing etc. I did not have this problem before I installed
this card.
I have reinstalled the vid drivers (very difficult because the
tearing etc in Normal mode is the same after I uninstall the vid
drivers and reboot) with the latest from Nvidea and also Omegaman's
drivers.
I uninstalled the previous drivers, rebooted and than installed the
drivers again.
My old vid card was an ATI Radeon 8500 AGP and it did not cause the
above tearing etc when the drivers were removed. It seemed to have a
basic VGA driver that took over then.
I guess my question is that I wonder if there should be a default
VGA driver that would let that card work after I uninstall the video
drivers.
Thanks,
Buffalo

I used to have the same symptoms a few years ago only I was using a
Nvidia Geforce2 MX AGP. The problem would occur from time to time
when I booted up my pc, and the tearing was present in Safe and
Normal modes. Even trying to reload the AGP drivers didn't fix it.
The only way I
could restore to a normal display was to re-install Windows 2k (sp4).
My pc then worked ok for a while then the problem would eventually
return when the pc was booted. In the end I managed to track down rhe
cause,
and it was down to the chipset drivers supplied by Dell for my Dell
pc. My solution was not to install these but to let Windows 2k generic
drivers take care of the chipset. I'vs had no repeat of the problem
since.


Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no difference.
(EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a reinstall of
Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean) install, or just an
install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file on my
computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the display is so
corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I moved the mouse
pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid drivers again. I finally
got it down to a point where I knew what to do and what to click on to
complete the install, even though I couldn't read what was happening. The
biggest problem was that the install would stop because there was a screen
behind the install screen that stated the drivers were not certified and
asked if I wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I
couldn't get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

Buffalo


  #4  
Old April 30th 12, 06:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Paul
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Default Safe Mode Display

Buffalo wrote:
Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
I am using Win2KProSp4 and a GeForce AGP 7600GT vid card and when I
go into Safe Mode, the display is tattered, torn up and I cannot
really read the letters on the Icons. When I move the mouse pointer,
it cause tearing etc. I did not have this problem before I installed
this card.
I have reinstalled the vid drivers (very difficult because the
tearing etc in Normal mode is the same after I uninstall the vid
drivers and reboot) with the latest from Nvidea and also Omegaman's
drivers.
I uninstalled the previous drivers, rebooted and than installed the
drivers again.
My old vid card was an ATI Radeon 8500 AGP and it did not cause the
above tearing etc when the drivers were removed. It seemed to have a
basic VGA driver that took over then.
I guess my question is that I wonder if there should be a default
VGA driver that would let that card work after I uninstall the video
drivers.
Thanks,
Buffalo

I used to have the same symptoms a few years ago only I was using a
Nvidia Geforce2 MX AGP. The problem would occur from time to time
when I booted up my pc, and the tearing was present in Safe and
Normal modes. Even trying to reload the AGP drivers didn't fix it.
The only way I
could restore to a normal display was to re-install Windows 2k (sp4).
My pc then worked ok for a while then the problem would eventually
return when the pc was booted. In the end I managed to track down rhe
cause,
and it was down to the chipset drivers supplied by Dell for my Dell
pc. My solution was not to install these but to let Windows 2k generic
drivers take care of the chipset. I'vs had no repeat of the problem
since.


Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no difference.
(EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a reinstall of
Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean) install, or just an
install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file on my
computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the display is so
corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I moved the mouse
pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid drivers again. I finally
got it down to a point where I knew what to do and what to click on to
complete the install, even though I couldn't read what was happening. The
biggest problem was that the install would stop because there was a screen
behind the install screen that stated the drivers were not certified and
asked if I wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I
couldn't get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

Buffalo


As I understand it, each video card is supposed to support some standard
output modes. When no custom video driver is available, the OS uses its own VESA
video driver, to make the video card work as a frame buffer. (If that driver
did not exist, you wouldn't have a video display during the stages of OS
installation.) You'd suspect that driver was being used, when colors are
stuck at 16 colors, and display resolution is 800x600 or 640x480
(i.e. a pretty low res).

There are two parts to drivers. There is the video card driver for the
card. But there is also the motherboard chipset AGP driver, which
declares the protocols it's supposed to support. On one of my Intel
boards, you could change the AGP slot, between PCI protocol, or full
AGP protocol, just by changing the driver used from the chipset drivers.

Some chipset AGP drivers, also include a control panel for AGP in the
OS, where you can set a couple things. Again, this is manufacturer
specific, and needs to be researched first. For Intel, the settings
would be in the BIOS, rather than being a poorly written app for
the OS later.

Some chipsets have problems with their AGP performance. The video card
manufacturers know this, and they have a "quirks" list in the video card
driver, such that they won't use AGP speed settings known to cause problems.
For example, if the AGP interface won't run properly at 4x, the driver
may choose to run at 1x. The ATI driver in particular, has "SMARTGart", which
overrides your BIOS AGP speed setting, and does it's own speed setting. This
may cause the ATI card display to flash briefly during POST. Once the
driver is happy with the speed it has determined (or the quirks have told it
to use), it won't try a higher speed until you use the SMARTGart control panel.
The first release of SMARTGart was a disaster (caused crashes), but after
three or four attempts to get it right, it finally worked respectably.

I'm not aware of NVidia doing the same thing. It's possible the AGP
setting in the BIOS, is in control for NVidia.

And then, you need to trace down the particulars for your motherboard chipset,
to see if it had any issues.

Towards the end of the AGP era, the last chipsets made finally had AGP
electrical interfaces, that properly implemented signaling. In the middle
of the AGP era, some chipset makers struggled to get their AGP slots
to run fast enough. And the marginal operation is what annoyed a lot of
users. If you use a board like the K7S5A, you'd want to Google around,
to see if the chipset ever caused a problem or not. I don't see any
mention of a problem here, but perhaps there's a better guide somewhere
else.

http://k7s5amotherboardforum.yuku.co...ewtopic/id/888

Paul
  #5  
Old May 1st 12, 05:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Frank
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Default Safe Mode Display

Buffalo wrote:

Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no difference.
(EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a reinstall of
Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean) install, or just an
install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file on my
computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the display is so
corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I moved the mouse
pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid drivers again. I finally
got it down to a point where I knew what to do and what to click on to
complete the install, even though I couldn't read what was happening. The
biggest problem was that the install would stop because there was a screen
behind the install screen that stated the drivers were not certified and
asked if I wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I
couldn't get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

There's a whole load of chipset drivers for all machines up to 2003 that
Win2k covers If you look at machine.inf file (under WINNT) they are
listed in there. Eg I have an Intel chipset 850 in my machine. The
actual reference to my chipset driver is listed in the registry under
HKLM/SYSTEM/ComtrolSet002/Enum/PCI/VEN&8086_DEV....where one of the
devices listed is described as an Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus Controller
- 2443, which I know correctly identifies my Intel 850 chipset. So my mb
is automatically covered by Win2k, but then my machine is 10 years old.
You shouldn't have to worry about thr 'inf' file for VGA as its driver
is supplied by bootvid.dll which automatically supplies the VGA You
don't have to uninstall Nvidia drivers as only the dll file is loaded
and not the Vvidia drivers. It's the same file for Win2k in 'Safe' or
even 'VGA' mode on the F8 menu when you boot. The fact that even VGA is
corrupted suggests a chipset problem or a problem card, but before
cosidering the latter....

I suggest doing a fresh re-install (partition and format) using ECS
drivers to start with. Make sure the correct chipset driver is the first
one you you install after Win2k sps installs. Hopefully that will fix
the problem. When you've installed all the basic drivers, ie sound,
video, do a backup of your system state (NTBackup. That's saved me many
a time when the odd problem comes along


  #6  
Old May 2nd 12, 12:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Buffalo[_2_]
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Default Safe Mode Display



Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:

Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no
difference. (EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a
reinstall of Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean)
install, or just an install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file
on my computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the
display is so corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I
moved the mouse pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid
drivers again. I finally got it down to a point where I knew what to
do and what to click on to complete the install, even though I
couldn't read what was happening. The biggest problem was that the
install would stop because there was a screen behind the install
screen that stated the drivers were not certified and asked if I
wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I couldn't
get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

There's a whole load of chipset drivers for all machines up to 2003
that Win2k covers If you look at machine.inf file (under WINNT) they
are listed in there. Eg I have an Intel chipset 850 in my machine. The
actual reference to my chipset driver is listed in the registry under
HKLM/SYSTEM/ComtrolSet002/Enum/PCI/VEN&8086_DEV....where one of the
devices listed is described as an Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus
Controller - 2443, which I know correctly identifies my Intel 850
chipset. So my mb is automatically covered by Win2k, but then my
machine is 10 years old. You shouldn't have to worry about thr 'inf'
file for VGA as its driver is supplied by bootvid.dll which
automatically supplies the VGA You don't have to uninstall Nvidia
drivers as only the dll file is loaded and not the Vvidia drivers.
It's the same file for Win2k in 'Safe' or even 'VGA' mode on the F8
menu when you boot. The fact that even VGA is corrupted suggests a
chipset problem or a problem card, but before cosidering the
latter....

I suggest doing a fresh re-install (partition and format) using ECS
drivers to start with. Make sure the correct chipset driver is the
first one you you install after Win2k sps installs. Hopefully that
will fix the problem. When you've installed all the basic drivers, ie
sound, video, do a backup of your system state (NTBackup. That's
saved me many a time when the odd problem comes along


My present system is a dual boot system, Win98SE-Win2k SP4.

Thanks for that advice Frank, but I'm afraid formating and doing a fresh
clean install of Win2kSP4 is way too much work with all the updates and
reinstalling all of my programs.
It may well fix the problem I'm having, but I will just put up with the
minor inconvenience that I now have (as long as I don't need to install new
vid drivers or go into Safe mode).
I also have two of those cards (7600GT) and both have the same problem.
Haven't tried older Nvidea drivers though.
I also reinstalled the ECS AGP drivers and changed the refresh rate of my
LCD monitor from 75Hz to 60Hz with no difference with the problem.
I also just installed the Nvidea 94.24 drivers over the Omega drivers.
Slight change in color, but the same problem.

Probably a corrupt or missing file somewhere in my Win2k OS. Win 2k is very
stable but I believe I will be building a new PC with Win7 before next
winter.

Any suggestions? I do like playing Q3 online and some of the older games
like Half-Life, Doom3, Unreal Tournament, Halo, etc.

Thanks,
Buffalo


  #7  
Old May 4th 12, 04:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Mohan
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Posts: 1
Default Safe Mode Display

Buffalo wrote:



Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:

Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no
difference. (EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a
reinstall of Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean)
install, or just an install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file
on my computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the
display is so corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I
moved the mouse pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid
drivers again. I finally got it down to a point where I knew what

to do and what to click on to complete the install, even though I
couldn't read what was happening. The biggest problem was that the
install would stop because there was a screen behind the install
screen that stated the drivers were not certified and asked if I
wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I couldn't
get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

There's a whole load of chipset drivers for all machines up to 2003
that Win2k covers If you look at machine.inf file (under WINNT) they
are listed in there. Eg I have an Intel chipset 850 in my machine.
The actual reference to my chipset driver is listed in the registry
under HKLM/SYSTEM/ComtrolSet002/Enum/PCI/VEN&8086_DEV....where one
of the devices listed is described as an Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus
Controller - 2443, which I know correctly identifies my Intel 850
chipset. So my mb is automatically covered by Win2k, but then my
machine is 10 years old. You shouldn't have to worry about thr 'inf'
file for VGA as its driver is supplied by bootvid.dll which
automatically supplies the VGA You don't have to uninstall Nvidia
drivers as only the dll file is loaded and not the Vvidia drivers.
It's the same file for Win2k in 'Safe' or even 'VGA' mode on the F8
menu when you boot. The fact that even VGA is corrupted suggests a
chipset problem or a problem card, but before cosidering the
latter....

I suggest doing a fresh re-install (partition and format) using ECS
drivers to start with. Make sure the correct chipset driver is the
first one you you install after Win2k sps installs. Hopefully that
will fix the problem. When you've installed all the basic drivers,
ie sound, video, do a backup of your system state (NTBackup. That's
saved me many a time when the odd problem comes along


My present system is a dual boot system, Win98SE-Win2k SP4.

Thanks for that advice Frank, but I'm afraid formating and doing a
fresh clean install of Win2kSP4 is way too much work with all the
updates and reinstalling all of my programs.
It may well fix the problem I'm having, but I will just put up with
the minor inconvenience that I now have (as long as I don't need to
install new vid drivers or go into Safe mode).
I also have two of those cards (7600GT) and both have the same
problem. Haven't tried older Nvidea drivers though.
I also reinstalled the ECS AGP drivers and changed the refresh rate
of my LCD monitor from 75Hz to 60Hz with no difference with the
problem. I also just installed the Nvidea 94.24 drivers over the
Omega drivers. Slight change in color, but the same problem.

Probably a corrupt or missing file somewhere in my Win2k OS. Win 2k
is very stable but I believe I will be building a new PC with Win7
before next winter.

Any suggestions? I do like playing Q3 online and some of the older
games like Half-Life, Doom3, Unreal Tournament, Halo, etc.

Thanks,
Buffalo


Not sure if this would work:

In the normal mode, under Display properties change the resolution to
800?600 temporarily (safe mode default)

Click Advanced/Adapter/ Click List all modes.. and select a [resolution
+ refresh rate + color mode setting] for that particular resolution
(note down the original setting before changing to revert back later).

Click OK and Restart to safe mode for any improvement. You can always
add this to the list of not workable if it fails!

I think it is possible to apply higher resolution and color mode for
safe mode though never tried.

--
/Mohan/
  #8  
Old May 4th 12, 05:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Paul
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Posts: 13,364
Default Safe Mode Display

Buffalo wrote:
Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no
difference. (EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a
reinstall of Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean)
install, or just an install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file
on my computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the
display is so corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I
moved the mouse pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid
drivers again. I finally got it down to a point where I knew what to
do and what to click on to complete the install, even though I
couldn't read what was happening. The biggest problem was that the
install would stop because there was a screen behind the install
screen that stated the drivers were not certified and asked if I
wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I couldn't
get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

There's a whole load of chipset drivers for all machines up to 2003
that Win2k covers If you look at machine.inf file (under WINNT) they
are listed in there. Eg I have an Intel chipset 850 in my machine. The
actual reference to my chipset driver is listed in the registry under
HKLM/SYSTEM/ComtrolSet002/Enum/PCI/VEN&8086_DEV....where one of the
devices listed is described as an Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus
Controller - 2443, which I know correctly identifies my Intel 850
chipset. So my mb is automatically covered by Win2k, but then my
machine is 10 years old. You shouldn't have to worry about thr 'inf'
file for VGA as its driver is supplied by bootvid.dll which
automatically supplies the VGA You don't have to uninstall Nvidia
drivers as only the dll file is loaded and not the Vvidia drivers.
It's the same file for Win2k in 'Safe' or even 'VGA' mode on the F8
menu when you boot. The fact that even VGA is corrupted suggests a
chipset problem or a problem card, but before cosidering the
latter....

I suggest doing a fresh re-install (partition and format) using ECS
drivers to start with. Make sure the correct chipset driver is the
first one you you install after Win2k sps installs. Hopefully that
will fix the problem. When you've installed all the basic drivers, ie
sound, video, do a backup of your system state (NTBackup. That's
saved me many a time when the odd problem comes along


My present system is a dual boot system, Win98SE-Win2k SP4.

Thanks for that advice Frank, but I'm afraid formating and doing a fresh
clean install of Win2kSP4 is way too much work with all the updates and
reinstalling all of my programs.
It may well fix the problem I'm having, but I will just put up with the
minor inconvenience that I now have (as long as I don't need to install new
vid drivers or go into Safe mode).
I also have two of those cards (7600GT) and both have the same problem.
Haven't tried older Nvidea drivers though.
I also reinstalled the ECS AGP drivers and changed the refresh rate of my
LCD monitor from 75Hz to 60Hz with no difference with the problem.
I also just installed the Nvidea 94.24 drivers over the Omega drivers.
Slight change in color, but the same problem.

Probably a corrupt or missing file somewhere in my Win2k OS. Win 2k is very
stable but I believe I will be building a new PC with Win7 before next
winter.

Any suggestions? I do like playing Q3 online and some of the older games
like Half-Life, Doom3, Unreal Tournament, Halo, etc.

Thanks,
Buffalo


For Win2K, there really aren't all that many updates. You have your
initial Win2K install, then install SP4 service pack. I have a
slipstreamed CD I made, so when reinstalling, I'm already at
Win2K SP4. (I made mine with Autostreamer.)

Then there's the Update Rollup, which is like a miniature
service pack. And that's about it. Since they no longer
support Windows Update for Win2K, I don't think you
can do anything from that point of view.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You'd still need some DirectX installs for the games, but the
games sometimes do that for you, during installation.

If you have backup software, you could always back up your
current setup, and try a clean install and see how it goes.
If it isn't looking any better, then you can restore
what you've currently got installed.

Paul
  #9  
Old May 4th 12, 11:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Buffalo[_2_]
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Posts: 98
Default Safe Mode Display



Paul wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Frank wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Interesting. I just reinstalled my agp drivers from ECS with no
difference. (EliteGroup mb K7s5a ver 3.1)
What specific mb drivers did Win2K install? Interesting that a
reinstall of Win2kSP4 fixed it for awhile. Was that a fresh (clean)
install, or just an install over the top?
I may just reinstall all my MB drivers.
I can't seem to find the Standard PCI VGA Display Drivers.inf file
on my computer. When I uninstall my vid drivers and reboot, the
display is so corrupted with incomplete objects and tearing, when I
moved the mouse pointer, that I had a hard time installing the vid
drivers again. I finally got it down to a point where I knew what
to do and what to click on to complete the install, even though I
couldn't read what was happening. The biggest problem was that the
install would stop because there was a screen behind the install
screen that stated the drivers were not certified and asked if I
wanted to install them anyways. Since I couldn't see it, I couldn't
get the drivers installed. Later, I knew it was there and worked
around it.

Thanks for you input.

There's a whole load of chipset drivers for all machines up to 2003
that Win2k covers If you look at machine.inf file (under WINNT) they
are listed in there. Eg I have an Intel chipset 850 in my machine.
The actual reference to my chipset driver is listed in the registry
under HKLM/SYSTEM/ComtrolSet002/Enum/PCI/VEN&8086_DEV....where one
of the devices listed is described as an Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus
Controller - 2443, which I know correctly identifies my Intel 850
chipset. So my mb is automatically covered by Win2k, but then my
machine is 10 years old. You shouldn't have to worry about thr 'inf'
file for VGA as its driver is supplied by bootvid.dll which
automatically supplies the VGA You don't have to uninstall Nvidia
drivers as only the dll file is loaded and not the Vvidia drivers.
It's the same file for Win2k in 'Safe' or even 'VGA' mode on the F8
menu when you boot. The fact that even VGA is corrupted suggests a
chipset problem or a problem card, but before cosidering the
latter....

I suggest doing a fresh re-install (partition and format) using ECS
drivers to start with. Make sure the correct chipset driver is the
first one you you install after Win2k sps installs. Hopefully that
will fix the problem. When you've installed all the basic drivers,
ie sound, video, do a backup of your system state (NTBackup. That's
saved me many a time when the odd problem comes along


My present system is a dual boot system, Win98SE-Win2k SP4.

Thanks for that advice Frank, but I'm afraid formating and doing a
fresh clean install of Win2kSP4 is way too much work with all the
updates and reinstalling all of my programs.
It may well fix the problem I'm having, but I will just put up with
the minor inconvenience that I now have (as long as I don't need to
install new vid drivers or go into Safe mode).
I also have two of those cards (7600GT) and both have the same
problem. Haven't tried older Nvidea drivers though.
I also reinstalled the ECS AGP drivers and changed the refresh rate
of my LCD monitor from 75Hz to 60Hz with no difference with the
problem.
I also just installed the Nvidea 94.24 drivers over the Omega
drivers. Slight change in color, but the same problem.

Probably a corrupt or missing file somewhere in my Win2k OS. Win 2k
is very stable but I believe I will be building a new PC with Win7
before next winter.

Any suggestions? I do like playing Q3 online and some of the older
games like Half-Life, Doom3, Unreal Tournament, Halo, etc.

Thanks,
Buffalo


For Win2K, there really aren't all that many updates. You have your
initial Win2K install, then install SP4 service pack. I have a
slipstreamed CD I made, so when reinstalling, I'm already at
Win2K SP4. (I made mine with Autostreamer.)

Then there's the Update Rollup, which is like a miniature
service pack. And that's about it. Since they no longer
support Windows Update for Win2K, I don't think you
can do anything from that point of view.


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You'd still need some DirectX installs for the games, but the
games sometimes do that for you, during installation.

If you have backup software, you could always back up your
current setup, and try a clean install and see how it goes.
If it isn't looking any better, then you can restore
what you've currently got installed.

Paul

Yep, I have a backup to an external HDD.
But, I only have one HDD in my PC and it is a dual boot 98se-win2k system
and I would really hate to screw it up.
I am not familar enough with doing a complete deletion and format of just
one partition to justify possibly screwing up my whole system.
There has to be a solid reason why I am having these problems. I think it
either has to be an OS problem or a video driver problem.

Thanks again,
Buffalo


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Old May 5th 12, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.win2000.general,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On 5/4/2012 6:59 PM, Buffalo wrote:

Yep, I have a backup to an external HDD.
But, I only have one HDD in my PC and it is a dual boot 98se-win2k system
and I would really hate to screw it up.
I am not familar enough with doing a complete deletion and format of just
one partition to justify possibly screwing up my whole system.


Respectfully, Buffalo ... just an observation, if you have that little
confidence in your backup/restore process then you really don't have a
reliable backup system. It would be worth addressing that as soon as you
can, quite apart from your other problems.

I have many OS partitions on many machines, all backed up (though
perhaps not as up-to-date as they should be in some cases). I wouldn't
think twice about wiping a partition for a re-install with a view to a
possible later restore.
 




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