If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
confusion about doom3 vs HL2 benchmarks
Hi all,
This recent controversy about Nvidia cards underperforming in HL2 benchmarks sure makes me feel good about my 9600Pro purchase, not to mention seeing the FPS/$ chart! Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? Is that benchmark reliable? Or are we caught up in a media hype after Gabe Newell's damning report on nvidia? any thoughts? sumedh |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
You know what is worse than this the AMD INTEL crap....
And thats about it ( as far as News group posts anyway) "Sumedh" wrote in message om... Hi all, This recent controversy about Nvidia cards underperforming in HL2 benchmarks sure makes me feel good about my 9600Pro purchase, not to mention seeing the FPS/$ chart! Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? Is that benchmark reliable? Or are we caught up in a media hype after Gabe Newell's damning report on nvidia? any thoughts? sumedh |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? The difference is that Doom3 makes heavy use of non-textured stencil buffer pixels to a high degree in order to generate accurate shadows for all objects. While GFFX gets its butt handed to it in most pixel shading circumstances, it does do well when drawing stencil volumes. Also, Doom3 features an optimized GFFX rendering path that lowers image quality for (a lot) more speed. I'm not sure if Anand used that code path or the standard path (I haven't read the article yet). Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? *Cough* Yes, and no. Doom3 is an OpenGL game, but it does make use of DX9 *level* features, yes. Is that benchmark reliable? I'd think so, both games are made by very reputable companies, by very trustworthy people. D3 and HL3 are simply two very different games, that they behave differently isn't strange. There's no reason to think either benchmark isn't trustworthy. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
"Nada" wrote in message om... (Sumedh) wrote: That test was done in medium quality settings. It should had been maximum quality test to really make it worth it, but nVidia's policy seems to be that medium quality is "the way it's meant to be played". Madness...this translates into the card can't handle maximum detail levels at playable frame rates. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
NVIDIA is quite aware of Halflife 2 results and that is the reason they have
been working with Value in developing the series 50.XX drivers which should be released prior to the release of Halflife 2. NVIDIA does not understand why the comments were written as they have been working together with Value for this very reason. In addition the results shown were matched with the series 45.XX drivers which aren't maximised for this particular game. regards B "Sumedh" wrote in message om... Hi all, This recent controversy about Nvidia cards underperforming in HL2 benchmarks sure makes me feel good about my 9600Pro purchase, not to mention seeing the FPS/$ chart! Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? Is that benchmark reliable? Or are we caught up in a media hype after Gabe Newell's damning report on nvidia? any thoughts? sumedh |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
"B" wrote in message ... NVIDIA is quite aware of Halflife 2 results and that is the reason they have been working with Value in developing the series 50.XX drivers which should be released prior to the release of Halflife 2. NVIDIA does not understand why the comments were written as they have been working together with Value for this very reason. In addition the results shown were matched with the series 45.XX drivers which aren't maximised for this particular game. "maximised"?...is that like "optimised", why do they have to do this?...it justs leads to accusations of cheating and missing detail levels. Can't we just get them to work and kick ATI's ass without "optimisation"? |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
DX9 features for control and audio not video rendering, that's OpenGL.
"Lenny" wrote in message ... Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? The difference is that Doom3 makes heavy use of non-textured stencil buffer pixels to a high degree in order to generate accurate shadows for all objects. While GFFX gets its butt handed to it in most pixel shading circumstances, it does do well when drawing stencil volumes. Also, Doom3 features an optimized GFFX rendering path that lowers image quality for (a lot) more speed. I'm not sure if Anand used that code path or the standard path (I haven't read the article yet). Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? *Cough* Yes, and no. Doom3 is an OpenGL game, but it does make use of DX9 *level* features, yes. Is that benchmark reliable? I'd think so, both games are made by very reputable companies, by very trustworthy people. D3 and HL3 are simply two very different games, that they behave differently isn't strange. There's no reason to think either benchmark isn't trustworthy. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
That's an interesting question. The first thing that pops into my head:
what Doom 3 benchmark? As I recall, Id hasn't released a Doom 3 Benchmark. However, an extremely early beta of Doom 3 from an E3 preview was leaked and floating around. Like I said, this was very early beta and it had some more optimizing to be done to it. If this was the doom 3 benchmarks that were posted, then these are quite frankly a waste of time as they aren't anywhere near accurate reflection of the final code. Plus, who's to say that since it's early beta that the game wasn't more optimized for one game as compared to another? Since the game is in OpenGL, you in effect right the game for each vid card. Speaking of OpenGL... It should be pointed out that Doom3 uses OpenGL while HL2 users D3d, which is a big difference. I think the vid actually have more capabilities exposed in OpenGL than they do in D3d, for example. Depending on if Nvidia has a feature that the ATi doesn't and it's exposed in their drivers, then possibly Nvidia may perform faster than ATi. I do seem to recall that Nvidia has the ability to handle shadows a bit better than ATi in OpenGL. Due to the fact the games are on different subsystems, it will be tough to draw any comparisons between two when it comes to performance. Chris Smith "Sumedh" wrote in message om... Hi all, This recent controversy about Nvidia cards underperforming in HL2 benchmarks sure makes me feel good about my 9600Pro purchase, not to mention seeing the FPS/$ chart! Anyways, in Anandtech.com's review of the 5900 Ultra, he performed Doom3 benchmarks, and Nvidia clearly shines compared to ATI. Whats the discrepancy here? Doesnt Doom3 make use of DX9 features? Is that benchmark reliable? Or are we caught up in a media hype after Gabe Newell's damning report on nvidia? any thoughts? sumedh |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
P4P800E Deluxe/3.2 Prescott Confusion | [email protected] | Asus Motherboards | 7 | August 30th 04 09:54 AM |
DOOM3 on P4P800E deluxe 9800Pro ??? | Art Simpson | Asus Motherboards | 5 | August 11th 04 10:31 PM |
P4P800 Deluxe and 5.1 Sound (Preparing for Doom3) | Eric | Asus Motherboards | 0 | July 15th 04 04:48 PM |
Tualatin on P2B Benchmarks? | P2B | Asus Motherboards | 7 | January 19th 04 03:45 AM |
Tualatin on P2B Benchmarks? | P2B | Overclocking | 8 | December 29th 03 07:52 AM |