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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will.
Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
On 15/06/2011 15:33, Kulin Remailer wrote:
I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Then buy a 500 GB disk. The chances are very high that it has 512 byte sectors. And what's the worst that can happen? The 4K sector drives lie to the OS and claim to be 512 byte sectors. They will be a bit slower (especially for writing) if your partitions are not aligned, but they will still work fine. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:22:58 +0200, David Brown wrote:
On 15/06/2011 15:33, Kulin Remailer wrote: I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Correct. With emphasis on the word *over* As in *over* 2TB. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Then buy a 500 GB disk. The chances are very high that it has 512 byte sectors. And what's the worst that can happen? The 4K sector drives lie to the OS and claim to be 512 byte sectors. They will be a bit slower (especially for writing) if your partitions are not aligned, but they will still work fine. My hunch at this point is that if there is a culprit, with 4k sector HDD, it is with 3rd party software used within more complicated setups within either Win Vista and/or Win7. My 2nd hunch is that this guy (Kulin Remailer) saw my response to Castor Nageur in his thread. I'll wait until Castor Nageur tries what I suggested and gets back with how that goes. Bill |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
Kulin Remailer wrote:
I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. I did too, until I looked at a Hitachi datasheet which stated explicitly that one of their 3TB drives in a series which includes drives smaller than that has 512 byte sectors. Corse one possibility is that that is an error in the datasheet. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? Not all of them specify that as I discovered after seeing that. I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. And the other problem is that drives over 2.2TB have a different problem and those older OSs just dont have any support for them natively. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
Kulin Remailer wrote: I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. I may be wrong, but I believe all hard drives with 64MB caches use 4KB physical sectors. But even if you can't get drives with 512B sectors, just use Linux G-Parted to create partitions that are aligned. It's faster to do this and copy existing partitions to the new drive than to use alignment software. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
Kulin Remailer wrote:
I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? Yes. For the moment, smaller drives (as the 500GB suggested by somebody else here) will be safe, but that can change at any time. I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Have you considered running this software (or rather an image with NT/2000/XP/2003 and this software) in a VM? I recently made good experiences with VirtualBox(free). VMware Player (also free) is a second option, but I don't like it very much. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
On 16/06/2011 03:57, Arno wrote:
Kulin wrote: I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? Yes. For the moment, smaller drives (as the 500GB suggested by somebody else here) will be safe, but that can change at any time. I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Have you considered running this software (or rather an image with NT/2000/XP/2003 and this software) in a VM? I recently made good experiences with VirtualBox(free). VMware Player (also free) is a second option, but I don't like it very much. That implies having a modern OS as the host. Unless the OP is familiar with Linux, it would mean buying a license for Win7, installing that and getting familiar with it, the getting familiar with a virtual machine, just so that he could get his partitions 4K aligned. Much as I like virtual machines, and see them as a good long-term solution for inconvenient programs (or inconvenient users like myself, who prefer XP to Win7), I think buying a 500 GB disk is going to be a lot easier, a lot cheaper, and a lot faster to get up and running. And as I said in another post, a 4K sector disk will work fine with XP, just slightly slower. If the OP /does/ want a virtual machine, I strongly recommend VirtualBox. It is properly free (open source) for the main part, with only the USB and RDP extensions being merely cost-free. VMware Player is more like a free demo version - it is feature-limited in the hope that you will buy the full product. It's probably a good choice if you use other VMware products already, but otherwise go for VirtualBox. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
David Brown wrote
Arno wrote Kulin wrote I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? Yes. For the moment, smaller drives (as the 500GB suggested by somebody else here) will be safe, but that can change at any time. I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Have you considered running this software (or rather an image with NT/2000/XP/2003 and this software) in a VM? I recently made good experiences with VirtualBox(free). VMware Player (also free) is a second option, but I don't like it very much. That implies having a modern OS as the host. Unless the OP is familiar with Linux, it would mean buying a license for Win7, installing that and getting familiar with it, the getting familiar with a virtual machine, just so that he could get his partitions 4K aligned. Much as I like virtual machines, and see them as a good long-term solution for inconvenient programs (or inconvenient users like myself, who prefer XP to Win7), I think buying a 500 GB disk is going to be a lot easier, a lot cheaper, and a lot faster to get up and running. Or just buying a drive whose datasheet you trust on the sector size question. Or use the Acronis ute thats free. And as I said in another post, a 4K sector disk will work fine with XP, just slightly slower. Thats not what some of the drive manufacturers claim. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
On 16/06/2011 11:50, Rod Speed wrote:
David Brown wrote Arno wrote Kulin wrote I presume anything over 2 tebibytes will. Otherwise, I guess I must read the specs for every drive that I consider buying? Yes. For the moment, smaller drives (as the 500GB suggested by somebody else here) will be safe, but that can change at any time. I have a quirky software package that only runs under NT/2000/XP/2003 but ****s itself with Vista or later. And I don't like kludges, just wanna plug **** in and go. Have you considered running this software (or rather an image with NT/2000/XP/2003 and this software) in a VM? I recently made good experiences with VirtualBox(free). VMware Player (also free) is a second option, but I don't like it very much. That implies having a modern OS as the host. Unless the OP is familiar with Linux, it would mean buying a license for Win7, installing that and getting familiar with it, the getting familiar with a virtual machine, just so that he could get his partitions 4K aligned. Much as I like virtual machines, and see them as a good long-term solution for inconvenient programs (or inconvenient users like myself, who prefer XP to Win7), I think buying a 500 GB disk is going to be a lot easier, a lot cheaper, and a lot faster to get up and running. Or just buying a drive whose datasheet you trust on the sector size question. Or use the Acronis ute thats free. And as I said in another post, a 4K sector disk will work fine with XP, just slightly slower. Thats not what some of the drive manufacturers claim. If there are any /honest/ 4K sector drives out there, then that might be the case - XP may not be happy with drives that say they have 4K sectors. But the whole point of lying about it and claiming to be 512 sector drives was to make them usable with XP (and earlier Windows), even if it risks poor performance on non-Windows systems or newer Windows. |
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which new drives use 4 kB sectors?
WD labels their 4KB drives with EARS at the end. Grab a EADS/EVDS drive.
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