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Old December 17th 04, 10:09 PM
Ricky Romaya
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Hi,

I recently want to upgrade my ol' P100 classic to P4 class PC. I need
advice for buying a new graphics card.

I've decided to get P4 2.4GHz on Gigabyte GA-8IPE100-G (865PE chipset). Now
I need a decent graphic card for my very tight budget. I'm considering a
card with either NVidia FX5200 or MX4000, or ATI 9200SE or 9250. The
highest chipset that my budget can get is FX5200 or ATI 9250. Specifically,
I'm considering these card (largely because availability, listed by
ascending prices):

1. Cardex MX4000 (lowest price)
2. PixelView MX4000 (2nd lowest price)
3. Albatron FX5200 (medium price)
4. Elsa Falcox 925L (ATI 9250) (2nd medium price)
5. PixelView FX5200 (high price)
6. Asus A9200SE (ATI 9200SE) (highest price)

I'm not a very casual gamer (meaning: I hardly play games) but I intend to
do some (light) 3D works (Lightwave 7/8), and medium 2D works (Photoshop).
I want to get the best value for the money.

I've read some not very encouraging reviews on both FX5200 and/or 92x0
chipsets. Should I get MX4000 instead (Cardex has the lowest price, and
PixelView is on the 2nd place) then wait for for another budget boost
(somehow) and aim at higher chipset cards (like NVidia 6x00 or ATI X
series)?

TIA
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Old December 17th 04, 10:49 PM
Dave C.
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"Ricky Romaya" wrote in message
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Hi,

I recently want to upgrade my ol' P100 classic to P4 class PC. I need
advice for buying a new graphics card.

I've decided to get P4 2.4GHz on Gigabyte GA-8IPE100-G (865PE chipset).
Now
I need a decent graphic card for my very tight budget. I'm considering a
card with either NVidia FX5200 or MX4000, or ATI 9200SE or 9250. The
highest chipset that my budget can get is FX5200 or ATI 9250.
Specifically,
I'm considering these card (largely because availability, listed by
ascending prices):


OK, you should consider a board with built-in video, like the following:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...157-030&depa=0

The money you save (cheaper motherboard, plus no need to buy a video card)
will allow you to upgrade to
2 X 256MB of RAM, instead of 2 X 128MB

Plus, the Intel Extreme 2 video adapter built into the mainboard will likely
be faster than any of the video cards you were thinking of buying. So you
get faster video, MUCH faster overall system performance (because you've
doubled your RAM), and spend not one penny more than you were planning to.

Oh, the Asrock board I linked to above has an AGP slot so you can even
upgrade video adapter later, if you want to. -Dave




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Old December 17th 04, 11:07 PM
Mac Cool
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Here is a good budget card:
APOLLO ATI RADEON 9200SE 64MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, "Devil Monster 3
Newegg.com $39.50

Both the 5200 and 9200 are better choices than the MX series. If you are
going to do 'any' gaming at all, I would recommend the Radeon 9600Pro
which can be found for ~$110 and is the most bang for the buck you can buy
right now

Here is a guide I often recommend for choosing quality, inexpensive
components:
http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/...ide-200411.ars

They also link to an excellent price search engine that may help you save
a few bucks:
http://arstechnica.dealtime.com/xFS?...-8IPE100-G&FD=
1717&x=0&y=0
.... as you can see, there is quite a range of prices on your choice of
motherboard with Zipzoomfly having the best price.
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Old December 18th 04, 01:10 AM
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Keep in mind that Linux and ATI blows.
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Old December 18th 04, 02:06 AM
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oh no says Ruel
"Phisherman" wrote in message
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Keep in mind that Linux and ATI blows.



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Old December 18th 04, 05:22 PM
Michael Hughes
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On Friday 17 December 2004 17:49, Dave C. wrote:

Plus, the Intel Extreme 2 video adapter built into the mainboard will
likely be faster than any of the video cards you were thinking of buying.


I would have to disagree; I once had the misfortune of using a system with
an Intel IGP, and it supported some very odd resolutions, and all of them
at a maximum of 24-bit color, making it unfit even for applications that
involve only 2D rendering -- suffice it to say, gaming performance was so
abysmal that even GLQuake slowed to a crawl with the little 4MB horror.

Intel's legacy of crappy IGPs is still with them, apparently, and, although
I cannot give a first-hand account for what you could expect with the
"Intel Extreme 2" IGP, I wouldn't advise you to have very high
expectations with regards to its performance in games.

Just a quick Googling, in fact, reveals that it is the opinion of many that
the ATi Mobility Radeon 7500 is faster than an Intel Extreme 2 IGP, and
that the closest equivalent would be a PCI GeForce 2 MX 200, which almost
anyone can tell you is a Bad Thing, unless your taste in graphics doesn't
far exceed Heretic 2.

I wouldn't expect *any* integrated graphics processors, short of the
GeForce 4 MX chipset included with some AMD motherboards based on the
nForce chipset, to offer any tolerable performance in games. So then, my
advice is to stay away. Stay far away.
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Old December 18th 04, 07:11 PM
Ruel Smith
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JAD wrote:

oh no says Ruel


Can't have thoughtful, insightful debate without resorting to childish
behavior, can you?

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Old December 18th 04, 07:26 PM
JAD
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what? did you not say you have no problems with ATI / Nvidia via
x'inux? Everything works with no problems....even the AIW tuners and
video capture?

"Ruel Smith" wrote in message
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JAD wrote:

oh no says Ruel


Can't have thoughtful, insightful debate without resorting to

childish
behavior, can you?



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Old December 18th 04, 07:45 PM
Ruel Smith
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JAD wrote:

what? did you not say you have no problems with ATI / Nvidia via
x'inux? Everything works with no problems....even the AIW tuners and
video capture?


My problem isn't related to ATi or nVidia. It's a problem with the
motherboard and Linux, particularly the AGP bus.

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Old December 19th 04, 01:18 AM
JAD
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My problem isn't related to ATi or nVidia. It's a problem with the
motherboard and Linux, particularly the AGP bus.



right , on your current configuration...but on your prior 6 years no
problems with nvidia or ATI...at least that's the way i took it. And
well, quite frankly I would expect you shouldn't as All radeons use
the same driver since the 7500. BTW how goes the TV capture and TV
tuner features?

Hmmm... Been using Linux for 6 years now, and except for the
recent AGP
problem, I've never experienced such frustration. You must not have
ever
installed Linux.

So, I boycott those companies that do
not write drivers, as best as I can, on both my Windows and my Linux
system. Nowadays, Intel, nVidia, and ATi are very involved in Linux,
and
getting an Intel or nForce board to work in Linux is pretty easy

I've been using USB mice in Linux for about 2 years now without much
hassle.
I even use a USB keyboard. It would be nice to use the extra buttons
without all the hassle of hacking the XF86Config file. The media
buttons on
my MS Natural Keyboard Pro can be programmed under Gnome, but not
KDE.
Again, there's still work to be done.

Here's a good instance of the warped mind of the x'inux project
engineer. Lets make a ton of P2P piracy software and DVD
ripper/copyright hacks instead of fine tuning the obvious.

6 years? do you know how long x'inux has been yacking about USB
support. And still you say today, I EVEN!! 'without to much hassle"
wish I had the "entertainment keys functioning". Ridiculous.

I don't write code, I wish I had the head for that. I wouldn't be
wasting my time on such stupid dead end things as rippers etc.. It
would be nice to have an open source system that could integrate with
main stream. However by the very nature of the beast, the main stream
is complicated intentionally, so its not easily integrated by anything
that isn't finger printed and approved. Linux could have/may still
save us from this is some way. As long as the intention is to be a
nuisance and is run/influenced by small minded unscrupulous people its
never gonna make it.

RS I am not knocking your knowledge of Linux, I wouldn't have bothered
addressing you if I didn't think you knew what your doing. But stop
making things out to be more than they are, by talking about the
"ideal linux of the future' like its here now.

It damn well should be after all this time.



"Ruel Smith" wrote in message
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JAD wrote:

what? did you not say you have no problems with ATI / Nvidia via
x'inux? Everything works with no problems....even the AIW tuners

and
video capture?





 




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