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Barton 2500 bundle still running hot after exchange
I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running
very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. After trying numerous things suggested, I took it back to the vendor. They tested it and said it seemed OK, though OK to them was running at 70 deg C, on a factory workbench (i.e NOT in a case), though they said room temp was around 26 deg C. I was amazed from my research that they believed this was normal, but they agreed to replace for the same anyway. Trying that now, it's still almost as hot. Basically I seem to be running 40 degrees over room temp, and again that's just in a low-usage mode. i.e. when in the heatwave, my room was 29-30 degrees, MBM showed 70-71 (confirmed also in the BIOS reading). now it's a cooler 22 deg, I read 62. Surely that's still 15-20 above what other's tend to get? System details: pre-built/pre-tested/pre-configured 2500+ Barton, with ECS L7VTA mainboard (V1.1), 2 x 256mb PC2700, and a Spire fan (currently with original new thermal pad). No overclocking. Am running in a midi case with 2 EIDE hard-drives; 1 x DVD, 1x DVD-R, and 3 PCI cards, plus an AGP card. The case has a fan on the lower front drawing air in, and a fan on the rear middle drawing out. I tried (and no use) a new CoolerMaster rear fan, with temperature sensor and variable speed. Power supply is 300W. Should I try a better heatsink & fan? I welcome any thoughts/advice. I'm a bit frustrated, as I though buying a pre-configured system, and a supposedly cooler Barton, would eliminate such problems. I may just want to overclock at some time too. -- regards, Neil |
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"Neil" wrote in message ... I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. This is ok but is a bit high for that processor. I would expect about 40 or less at default settings. System details: pre-built/pre-tested/pre-configured This could be a problem. Are the people who put it together nubbies who don't know about ESD and thermal transfer?! 2500+ Barton, with ECS L7VTA mainboard (V1.1), 2 x 256mb PC2700, and a Spire fan (currently with original new thermal pad). No idea what a Spire fan is, sorry, but you realy need one certified by AMD to at least the spec of your processor or even better much higher. Don't think a fan is a fan as it isn't. Am running in a midi case with 2 EIDE hard-drives; 1 x DVD, 1x DVD-R, and 3 PCI cards, plus an AGP card. The case has a fan on the lower front drawing air in, and a fan on the rear middle drawing out. I tried (and no use) a new CoolerMaster rear fan, with temperature sensor and variable speed. Power supply is 300W. That power supply is nowhere near enough IMO. You need at least 350 watts of a decent brand PSU, eg. Antec or Enermax (the brand is your guarantee of the PSU meeting that wattage rating and not blowing up your entire system.... I'd recommend a 400 watt Antec. Should I try a better heatsink & fan? I welcome any thoughts/advice. I'm a bit frustrated, as I though buying a pre-configured system, and a supposedly cooler Barton, would eliminate such problems. I may just want to overclock at some time too. I have one overclocked to a 3200 (which needed a little overvoltage in my case) no problems at temps lower than yours it seems. I'd recommend changing the heatsink and CPU to at least a Coolermaster CP5-8JD1F-0L which has an 80mm fan and as it says on the sticker it is pretty quiet in comparison with all the others I've heard. Also, make sure you clean everything properly with a cleaner which won't leave a residue ie. that difficult to get hold of Isopropyl Alcohol (I ended up using Medi-swabs easily available in Boots.) Wipe dry with a lint free cloth after cleaning it. I recommend using the Sterile Gauze swabs you can buy in boots. Another possible problem is the PSU or motherboard somewhere along the line isn't applying the correct voltage to the CPU. I think your PSU is at its limits anyway and would benefit from replacement. Most PSU's have 2 fans, an intake inside the case above the CPU (drawing away heat) and an outlet at the back like usual. Maybe yours doesn't have this?! Take note that this is recommended by AMD as is a PSU with at least 350 watts I believe. Since it's preconfigured you may do better sending it back and getting a refund and doing it yourself, I'm guessing you are competent but perhaps didn't have the time to choose a motherboard etc and wait in for parcels every morning etc.... They may have stuck a lower spec processor on the board and clocked it up so it says 2500+ when you boot up and in the windows properties screen. That would easily explain the temps. If a system builder thinks 300 watts is enough for that lot there's something wrong anyhow. |
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"Neil" wrote in message ... I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. If it is really running at that temp, and there is proper contact between CPU and HSF, then the solid metal of the HSF will feel too hot to touch for long. If it feels just warm then either your temp probe is inaccurate or you haven't mounted the HSF properly. |
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I would try a better hs/fan also. My system is only 3 days old yet, but
what I have observed is a reported cpu temp of 36-40 degrees C. I also am running the Barton 2500 with a Vantec Aeroflow. No special thermal compound, just the stuff included with the Vantec. "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:54:37 +0100, "Neil" wrote: Should I try a better heatsink & fan? I would. I'm running a Barton 2.5 and mine runs at 38 degrees using a Vantec HS and fan. http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/...=16535&cat=421 |
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"Neil" wrote in message
... I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. After trying numerous things suggested, I took it back to the vendor. They tested it and said it seemed OK, though OK to them was running at 70 deg C, on a factory workbench (i.e NOT in a case), though they said room temp was around 26 deg C. I was amazed from my research that they believed this was normal, but they agreed to replace for the same anyway. Trying that now, it's still almost as hot. Basically I seem to be running 40 degrees over room temp, and again that's just in a low-usage mode. i.e. when in the heatwave, my room was 29-30 degrees, MBM showed 70-71 (confirmed also in the BIOS reading). now it's a cooler 22 deg, I read 62. Surely that's still 15-20 above what other's tend to get? System details: pre-built/pre-tested/pre-configured 2500+ Barton, with ECS L7VTA mainboard (V1.1), 2 x 256mb PC2700, and a Spire fan (currently with original new thermal pad). No overclocking. Am running in a midi case with 2 EIDE hard-drives; 1 x DVD, 1x DVD-R, and 3 PCI cards, plus an AGP card. The case has a fan on the lower front drawing air in, and a fan on the rear middle drawing out. I tried (and no use) a new CoolerMaster rear fan, with temperature sensor and variable speed. Power supply is 300W. Should I try a better heatsink & fan? I welcome any thoughts/advice. I'm a bit frustrated, as I though buying a pre-configured system, and a supposedly cooler Barton, would eliminate such problems. I may just want to overclock at some time too. -- regards, Neil Hi, I would say thats way too hot! Especially if thats at idle. How hot will it get when pushed? Having said that, I was just checking out that board on one of the review sites, and in the pictures they have taken of the BIOS, it shows the CPU temperature as 62c (don't know which CPU though, but still a bit high. And its always higher when you are in BIOS of course). Another thing I thought of was that the BIOS is misreporting the temps (had this a while back on a MSI NForce board). If that is the case, there is no BIOS fix for it on the ECS website. As one of the other posters said, it could be that your vendor has overclocked a slower CPU, which of course would be very naughty. I think this has more to do with the board than the CPU. Can you possibly try the CPU in a different board? Or get your vendor to do so (so it becomes their risk). HTH SteveH (Athlon XP2600+ currently at 39c) |
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Neil wrote:
I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. What is the CPU voltage set at? Seems odd for two sets to be doing the same? I've found the XP tbred core (barton should be about the same?) even with stock coolers run way under 50C. -- Stacey |
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What is the CPU voltage set at? Seems odd for two sets to be doing the
same? I've found the XP tbred core (barton should be about the same?) even with stock coolers run way under 50C. The BIOS shows this as 1.63 to 1.64V for "CPU Vcoure" (it seems to fluctuate a little as I watch it). This is on the newly installed PSU. There are no jumpers on the board for the CPU power settings, it appears to set them automatically from the CPU. With this new PSU I'm now running at 59 degrees in near idle mode, as shown by MBM. Room temp 20.5. Seems pretty much the same as with previous PSU. Neil |
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I posted a couple of weeks ago that my new motherboard bundle was running very hot, though was stable. Essentially it was running at 65-70 deg C with just web usage. I'm running the 2500+ Barton at 3200+ , 24/7 for weeks and it has never gone above 44C. Using this HSF http://www.thermaltake.com/products/...nk/v11plus.htm |
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In article , "Neil" wrote:
What is the CPU voltage set at? Seems odd for two sets to be doing the same? I've found the XP tbred core (barton should be about the same?) even with stock coolers run way under 50C. The BIOS shows this as 1.63 to 1.64V for "CPU Vcoure" (it seems to fluctuate a little as I watch it). This is on the newly installed PSU. There are no jumpers on the board for the CPU power settings, it appears to set them automatically from the CPU. With this new PSU I'm now running at 59 degrees in near idle mode, as shown by MBM. Room temp 20.5. Seems pretty much the same as with previous PSU. / Go to www.newegg.com and pick up a Thermaltake Volcano 10+ ( + means 2 ball bearing fan ) They are only $15 and are copper heatsinks ! :-) Greg B. |
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