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"Dave" asked: What does Product Activation add? More profits for Adobe, at least according to the bean counters. I'd guess that what it really adds is more profits for Corel and Digital Light and Color as people move to PhotoPaint or Picture Window Pro to avoid the obnoxiousness. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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pioe(rmv) wrote: Alan Browne wrote: Yes. However, the bundled editing tool (PS Elements 2.0) works in 8 bit mode. So you need PS 7 pro, or PictureWindow Pro (clunky to use) to work at 16 bits... No, you do not. Yes you do, or... Corel PhotoPaint also has that capability, and is in my opinion equal to Photoshop. Above all, it has no Product Activation. I have had more troube with various Corel products than any other s/w maker. Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway |
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"David J. Littleboy" wrote:
More profits for Adobe, at least according to the bean counters. I'd guess that what it really adds is more profits for Corel and Digital Light and Color as people move to PhotoPaint or Picture Window Pro to avoid the obnoxiousness. I don't see why if you're honest about your use. Their licensing allows you to have PS installed on two systems, like a home system and a laptop, as long as you're only using one at a time. Is there some restriction I'm missing. Scott Peterson Paranoia is an underappreciated form of mental health. |
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"Scott Peterson" wrote in message ... "David J. Littleboy" wrote: More profits for Adobe, at least according to the bean counters. I'd guess that what it really adds is more profits for Corel and Digital Light and Color as people move to PhotoPaint or Picture Window Pro to avoid the obnoxiousness. I don't see why if you're honest about your use. Their licensing allows you to have PS installed on two systems, like a home system and a laptop, as long as you're only using one at a time. Is there some restriction I'm missing. Yes: you missed my "according to the bean counters". I was trying to point out that it's the heads-wedged-up-their-you-know-wheres bean counters that are insisting on product activiation. IMHO, most people using photoshop illegally simply wouldn't use it if they couldn't. (Call me naive.) But even if I am naive, I can't imagine the slight increase in profits being worth the loss in customer good will. I was a strong supporter of MS in the MS vs. everyone else wars, simply because MS has provided software that meets my needs at reasonable prices over the years with no BS. I do not like the idea of Sun, who has never made any hardware or software I could afford, having something to say about the way MS does business. But MS has shot themselves the foot something fierce with 'Doze XP; even I can't defend them any more. And I doubt I'll be buying the new photoshop. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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"David J. Littleboy" wrote:
Yes: you missed my "according to the bean counters". I was trying to point out that it's the heads-wedged-up-their-you-know-wheres bean counters that are insisting on product activiation. IMHO, most people using photoshop illegally simply wouldn't use it if they couldn't. (Call me naive.) But even if I am naive, I can't imagine the slight increase in profits being worth the loss in customer good will. I'm still missing your point. If someone is using it illegally, they will probably continue to. All of the product activation schemes have had code generators out quickly. I don't like the idea of product activation, but as long as it's not intrusive and does allow me to have copies on multiple systems I don't see where the good will loss will occur. Scott Peterson Politicians and diapers should be changed at regular intervals, and for the same reason |
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"Scott Peterson" wrote in message ... "David J. Littleboy" wrote: Yes: you missed my "according to the bean counters". I was trying to point out that it's the heads-wedged-up-their-you-know-wheres bean counters that are insisting on product activiation. IMHO, most people using photoshop illegally simply wouldn't use it if they couldn't. (Call me naive.) But even if I am naive, I can't imagine the slight increase in profits being worth the loss in customer good will. I'm still missing your point. If someone is using it illegally, they will probably continue to. They won't be using the new product illegally. All of the product activation schemes have had code generators out quickly. I don't like the idea of product activation, but as long as it's not intrusive and does allow me to have copies on multiple systems I don't see where the good will loss will occur. Not all my machines necessarily have internet connections (I usually don't internet on the road, so until recently my portable has never had internet/email, but I use it for downloading and editing images from cameras). And I live in Japan. Will Adobe USA decide not to activate my photoshop because they only sell in the US? (This is a serious issue: I couldn't persuade the RealPlayer folks to send me a US version of their product; Adobe Japan wants 50% more for a Japanese enabled version that may not be compatible with the US-English based actions I want to run). I can still use last year's software, and occasionally do (my McGraw-Hill Sci/tech encyclopedia CD-ROM is 10 years old). What happens when Adobe decides that "CS" isn't the current version and they can't be bothered to do product activations for it any more? What happens when Adobe goes bankrupt? The idea of having to ask Adobe's permission every time I want to use the software I've paid for is not acceptable. (And I buy a new machine almost every year, so reloading old paid-for software is something I do quite often.) David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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OT: Product activation:
This is what Intuit (TurboTax) did after protests from their customers. http://pcworld.shopping.yahoo.com/ya...,110745,00.asp Inutit press release: http://www.intuit.com/about_intuit/p...003/10-09.html I think that Product Activation is a very bad move on software companies part. Copy protection Killed Lotus 123 back in the '70s or '80s. If I buy the software, I should have the right to install and use the software on all of my personal computers, all of which I can only use one at a time. -- CSM1 http://www.carlmcmillan.com -- "David J. Littleboy" wrote in message ... "Scott Peterson" wrote in message ... "David J. Littleboy" wrote: Yes: you missed my "according to the bean counters". I was trying to point out that it's the heads-wedged-up-their-you-know-wheres bean counters that are insisting on product activiation. IMHO, most people using photoshop illegally simply wouldn't use it if they couldn't. (Call me naive.) But even if I am naive, I can't imagine the slight increase in profits being worth the loss in customer good will. I'm still missing your point. If someone is using it illegally, they will probably continue to. They won't be using the new product illegally. All of the product activation schemes have had code generators out quickly. I don't like the idea of product activation, but as long as it's not intrusive and does allow me to have copies on multiple systems I don't see where the good will loss will occur. Not all my machines necessarily have internet connections (I usually don't internet on the road, so until recently my portable has never had internet/email, but I use it for downloading and editing images from cameras). And I live in Japan. Will Adobe USA decide not to activate my photoshop because they only sell in the US? (This is a serious issue: I couldn't persuade the RealPlayer folks to send me a US version of their product; Adobe Japan wants 50% more for a Japanese enabled version that may not be compatible with the US-English based actions I want to run). I can still use last year's software, and occasionally do (my McGraw-Hill Sci/tech encyclopedia CD-ROM is 10 years old). What happens when Adobe decides that "CS" isn't the current version and they can't be bothered to do product activations for it any more? What happens when Adobe goes bankrupt? The idea of having to ask Adobe's permission every time I want to use the software I've paid for is not acceptable. (And I buy a new machine almost every year, so reloading old paid-for software is something I do quite often.) David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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CSM1 wrote: OT: Product activation: This is what Intuit (TurboTax) did after protests from their customers. http://pcworld.shopping.yahoo.com/ya...,110745,00.asp Inutit press release: http://www.intuit.com/about_intuit/p...003/10-09.html I think that Product Activation is a very bad move on software companies part. Copy protection Killed Lotus 123 back in the '70s or '80s. If I buy the software, I should have the right to install and use the software on all of my personal computers, all of which I can only use one at a time. That's one of those lame arguments against a computer s/w house' right to revenue for their product. The fact is that TurboTax is a highly "shared" software with copies being made and copies being shared. This is very frustrating to the products owners. Who, incidently don't mind if one installation is used to prepare multiple returns. |
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"David J. Littleboy" wrote:
Not all my machines necessarily have internet connections (I usually don't internet on the road, so until recently my portable has never had internet/email, but I use it for downloading and editing images from cameras). And I live in Japan. Will Adobe USA decide not to activate my photoshop because they only sell in the US? Activation is not = registration. From the Adobe web site at http://www.adobe.com/activation/main.html Q: What is activation? A: Activation is a series of simple and quick steps users of Adobe software take upon installation in order to begin using the applications. A simple, anonymous process, activation helps prevent casual copying. Note the word anonymous. You don't have to have an internet connection to do product activation Q: What happens during product activation? A: When a customer installs Photoshop CS for the first time, the program assigns an activation number to his or her specific computer. When the product is activated on a computer, this activation number and the product serial number are provided to Adobe so Adobe can ensure that each genuine copy of its software is not activated more than the permitted number of times. Activation does not hinder licensed users' ability to use the software the way they always have. Users can choose the activation process they prefer: by Internet or phone, either with a live Customer Care representative or through the 24-hour automated Activation Voice Response (AVR) system. As far as geographical issues, Q: What information is needed for activation? A: The only information users need is their software serial number, which is supplied with the product. The serial number is typically found on the product CD case and on the registration card in the box. Q: How will this information be used? A: The unique serial number assigned to each version of Photoshop is combined with a randomly generated number, assigned to the user's computer. When the product is activated on a computer, this activation number and the product serial number are provided to Adobe so Adobe can ensure that each genuine copy of its software is not activated more than the permitted number of times. Adobe's activation system does not collect, transmit, or use any personal information, including the customer's hardware configuration. So all you need is the serial number and the ability to make a phone call. Hopefully there will be a local number you can call but if not, Beyond that the only time activation becomes an issue is if you make more than a certain number of hardware changes. This is generally pretty hard to do. I've managed to do it a couple of times, but much less often than I thought I would. I have to admit it's a pain in the neck, but not an insurmountable one. regards, Scott Peterson The light at the end of the tunnel may be nothing more than an idiot with a match." |
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"Scott Peterson" wrote: "David J. Littleboy" wrote: Not all my machines necessarily have internet connections (I usually don't internet on the road, so until recently my portable has never had internet/email, but I use it for downloading and editing images from cameras). And I live in Japan. Will Adobe USA decide not to activate my photoshop because they only sell in the US? Activation is not = registration. From the Adobe web site at http://www.adobe.com/activation/main.html Q: What is activation? A: Activation is a series of simple and quick steps users of Adobe software take upon installation in order to begin using the applications. A simple, anonymous process, activation helps prevent casual copying. Note the word anonymous. You don't have to have an internet connection to do product activation From the following, it sounds as though you are essentially wrong he Q: What happens during product activation? A: When a customer installs Photoshop CS for the first time, the program assigns an activation number to his or her specific computer. When the product is activated on a computer, this activation number and the product serial number are provided to Adobe Hello? How are they "provided to Adobe" without a connection? The whole point of MS activation, which is what this sounds very much like, is that instead of asking a self-contained serial number check routine for permission, you have to ask Adobe for permission, to use the product you paid for. so Adobe can ensure that each genuine copy of its software is not activated more than the permitted number of times. Activation does not hinder licensed users' ability to use the software the way they always have. Users can choose the activation process they prefer: by Internet or phone, either with a live Customer Care representative or through the 24-hour automated Activation Voice Response (AVR) system. Exactly: you have to ask permission (either internet or phone). They want US$700 for the product and I've got to put up with this BS? No thank you. So all you need is the serial number and the ability to make a phone call. And pay international rates to be put on hold? No thanks. Hopefully there will be a local number you can call but if not, The local number won't validate US software. This is Japan. Things don't work that way here. Beyond that the only time activation becomes an issue is if you make more than a certain number of hardware changes. This is generally pretty hard to do. I've managed to do it a couple of times, but much less often than I thought I would. As I pointed out, I buy a new machine almost every year (laptop one year, desktop another, usually). That means I have to ask Adobe's permission to use the software on each new machine. Multiply by the number of applications, and that's getting to be a serious pain. Is Adobe going to believe my insistence that I've actually fdisk'ed the old machine or are they going to think I sold it as is with all the software installed??? I have to admit it's a pain in the neck, but not an insurmountable one. It's not insurmountable, it's unacceptable. I was hoping I wouldn't have to become a Gimp developer, but that may be my fate... David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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