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Basic overclocking question
By the time you damaged your card with overclocking
you really don't wanna use it anymore. "MattB" matt.baranski @ bigpond.com schreef in bericht ... Hi all, I picked up an Albatron Ti4200 128mb card today and want to overclock it a bit. I tweaked the driver level clock frequencies to 270mhz core and 533mhz memory and the card seems perfectly stable under D3D games with no artifacts. My question is, will this cause the card harm in the long term (stock heatsink/fan)? I plan to hang onto this card for at least a year, does excess overclocking show itself as system instability or is it likely to just die unexpectedly after being overclocked for a period of time? I guess basically I want to know how much overclocking will reduce the life of the card. Cheers, Matt |
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I can o/c my sparkle to 270/540 with no problems have for the last 9 months.
If i go higher on the memory, the memory chips get too hot and i get artifacts onscreen. The card will do about 275/550 stable but gets too hot for my liking and i cant be bothered with extra cooling, not worth the trouble or expense for the speed increase i wreckon. For some wierd reason i like too keep the memory twice the speed of gpu (paranoid maybe). i dont get much improvement with gpu increase only. Just for reference i get about 11000 in 3dmark 2001 at default settings and 13000 when overclocked to 270/540 Unless theres a fault with your card i wouldnt expect its life expectancy to shorten by any noticeable amount and unless u get some extreme heat issue which i wouldnt expect at the setting u r running at. Excess overclocking of the memory usually shows up as artifacts on the screen like white dots at random, missing textures or dark rectangle/triangle objects flashing on the screen. Excess cpu overclocking for me shows up as games crashing and computer locking up or games dropping out and going back to the desktop torr "MattB" matt.baranski @ bigpond.com wrote in message ... Hi all, I picked up an Albatron Ti4200 128mb card today and want to overclock it a bit. I tweaked the driver level clock frequencies to 270mhz core and 533mhz memory and the card seems perfectly stable under D3D games with no artifacts. My question is, will this cause the card harm in the long term (stock heatsink/fan)? I plan to hang onto this card for at least a year, does excess overclocking show itself as system instability or is it likely to just die unexpectedly after being overclocked for a period of time? I guess basically I want to know how much overclocking will reduce the life of the card. Cheers, Matt |
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"MattB" matt.baranski @ bigpond.com wrote in message
... Hi all, I picked up an Albatron Ti4200 128mb card today and want to overclock it a bit. I tweaked the driver level clock frequencies to 270mhz core and 533mhz memory and the card seems perfectly stable under D3D games with no artifacts. My question is, will this cause the card harm in the long term (stock heatsink/fan)? I plan to hang onto this card for at least a year, does excess overclocking show itself as system instability or is it likely to just die unexpectedly after being overclocked for a period of time? I guess basically I want to know how much overclocking will reduce the life of the card. I have been running at 266/566 for some time now (1 year) on my Ti4200, and if anything, it's even more overclockable now. /M |
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What is the best overclocking program to use? I have a PNY Ti4200 and would
like to speed it up. Can you guys recommend one for a novice? Thanks! "Martin Eriksson" wrote in message ... "MattB" matt.baranski @ bigpond.com wrote in message ... Hi all, I picked up an Albatron Ti4200 128mb card today and want to overclock it a bit. I tweaked the driver level clock frequencies to 270mhz core and 533mhz memory and the card seems perfectly stable under D3D games with no artifacts. My question is, will this cause the card harm in the long term (stock heatsink/fan)? I plan to hang onto this card for at least a year, does excess overclocking show itself as system instability or is it likely to just die unexpectedly after being overclocked for a period of time? I guess basically I want to know how much overclocking will reduce the life of the card. I have been running at 266/566 for some time now (1 year) on my Ti4200, and if anything, it's even more overclockable now. /M |
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"Barney Rubble" wrote in message
... I guess I must be unlucky, as the BFG TI4200 I have has recently started to produce sparkles and random characters. This appears to be a memory problem, so I went back to default timings, and guess what.... I still have the problems. So I guess overclocking can do permanent damage. Temperatures were no too bad either. Cannot recall exact timings, but 250/500 seems to spring to mind, anyway they were not too aggressive. 250/513 is the default for my Ti4200. I know it is possible to kill your card by overclocking, but mostly that's because of excessive heat or really bad components. You could have got bad memory from the start, if it's a cheapish card. I have a Leadtek Ti4200. (Dont remember the Leadtek number) Overclocking *is* always a risk, although far more components have died because of a bad product from the start (five hard drives, three CD-ROMs, two motherboards, one CPU, several soundcards, a wee bit of SDRAM etc etc). /M |
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If it's still under warranty, disavow any overclocking and RMA it for a new
one. Ron "Barney Rubble" wrote in message ... I guess I must be unlucky, as the BFG TI4200 I have has recently started to produce sparkles and random characters. This appears to be a memory problem, so I went back to default timings, and guess what.... I still have the problems. So I guess overclocking can do permanent damage. Temperatures were no too bad either. Cannot recall exact timings, but 250/500 seems to spring to mind, anyway they were not too aggressive. Hope you have better luck Barney "Martin Eriksson" wrote in message ... "RJ" wrote in message ... What is the best overclocking program to use? I have a PNY Ti4200 and would like to speed it up. Can you guys recommend one for a novice? Thanks! RivaTuner is the best IMO. It actually uses the overclock abilities in the nVidia drivers. It also provides LOTS of options for your nVidia pleasure. /M |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:08 +1000, "MattB" matt.baranski @
bigpond.com wrote: Hi all, I picked up an Albatron Ti4200 128mb card today and want to overclock it a bit. I tweaked the driver level clock frequencies to 270mhz core and 533mhz memory and the card seems perfectly stable under D3D games with no artifacts. My question is, will this cause the card harm in the long term (stock heatsink/fan)? I plan to hang onto this card for at least a year, does excess overclocking show itself as system instability or is it likely to just die unexpectedly after being overclocked for a period of time? I guess basically I want to know how much overclocking will reduce the life of the card. Cheers, Matt Russian roulette if you have no means of monitoring the actual GPU chip- temperature. Estimated life is ~ divided by 2 for every 10 degreesC above 80 degreesC CHIP-temperature. Damage is irreversible. You may or may not see artifacts before irreversible damage. Silicon slows down significantly with increasing heat, so it may slow enough to see artifacts before transistors or silicon-vias go POP or it may not............ Just make sure that you have enough reserve cash in the bank for a replacement card. The video card memory is far less likely to go POP unless it is has poor local cooling or is grossly overclocked. Or shares the same physical heat-sink as the GPU plus a poor heat-sink design allowing low thermal resistance between GPU and memory. FYI:- Unlike the CPU chip-temp monitoring on modern motherboards, most video cards have no GPU chip- temperature monitors, although the design and thermal-stress rules are exactly the same as for CPUs. The latest video cards ATi9700, 9800, FX5800, FX5900 cost more than most CPUs and disspate as much power as a 2.6GHz P4. Out of these only the FX5900 has built-in user-accessible chip-temperature monitoring. John Lewis |
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Unlike the CPU chip-temp monitoring on modern motherboards, most video cards have no GPU chip- temperature monitors, although the design and thermal-stress rules are exactly the same as for CPUs. The latest video cards ATi9700, 9800, FX5800, FX5900 cost more than most CPUs and disspate as much power as a 2.6GHz P4. Out of these only the FX5900 has built-in user-accessible chip-temperature monitoring. Seems to me the FX5900 needs it! The FX chips are the AMD T-Birds of the GPU industry! |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:26:49 GMT, "Chimera" wrote:
snip Unlike the CPU chip-temp monitoring on modern motherboards, most video cards have no GPU chip- temperature monitors, although the design and thermal-stress rules are exactly the same as for CPUs. The latest video cards ATi9700, 9800, FX5800, FX5900 cost more than most CPUs and disspate as much power as a 2.6GHz P4. Out of these only the FX5900 has built-in user-accessible chip-temperature monitoring. Seems to me the FX5900 needs it! The FX chips are the AMD T-Birds of the GPU industry! And the DATA to back this statement up ? You may be confusing the very poor cooling solution on the FX5800 with the actual chip temperature of the GPU. Neither nVidia NOR Ati publicly publish any diissipation figures for their GPUs. The process, transistor-count and clock-speed are the key determining issues. There is no silver bullet. The FX5900 15% higher transistor count and sligfhtly-higher clock speed, but 0.13u process (and lower core Vdd ) instead of 0.15u on the 9800 results in about the same power-dissipation. Come back when you have real data to back up your argument. Go install a temp-monitor on the 9800 GPU. You may get a very interesting surprise/shock......... As it is you may be blowing hot-air.............. John Lewis |
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