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Old August 23rd 19, 01:19 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
pheasant16
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

Puts the desktop picture up, but loads no icons and won't connect to
network. Boots into safe mode just fine.

Still have the original retail XP disk when I built the box.

Took it to a computer store, they didn't ask about the disk, but their
advice was too old get a new box. They tried a couple ways to get it
loaded, but no luck.

Broke down and got a new Win 10 desktop and am satisfied with it as a
replacement, but would still like to salvage the old one if possible.

A week ago it told me I had 3 days to activate it or it would shut off,
so let it register online, and the nag screen went away. 3 days later
it quit.

Hard drive failing or bad software? No hardware changes made for many
years.

Didn't do a system restore as read that if done in safe mode any
previous dates may be lost.

Would it be possible to boot from the CD and overlay the program files
without formatting and starting from scratch. Everything I've ever read
about repair installs makes a fresh install seem like the easiest way to go.

Guess I could throw a new hard drive in and do a fresh install, but then
I've lost the data I'm hoping to just be able to access if needed. (safe
mode does that now, but need a winter project)

Also Cardfile isn't in Win10. Found a program that will work in place
of it, dragged the .crd files from the old box to a USB drive, put it in
the new machine, and flash drive looks empty on the Win10 box. Dug out
an old Win 7, and drive showed empty there also. Put it back in the XP
box and shows up just fine. FAT 32 is how it was formatted before use.

Thanks for any ideas you can share. This should be good for a couple
days when the snow flies.
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Old August 23rd 19, 02:54 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:19:29 -0500, pheasant16
wrote:

Puts the desktop picture up, but loads no icons and won't connect to
network. Boots into safe mode just fine.

Still have the original retail XP disk when I built the box.


Run chkdsk /F C:. If that's OK, try re-installing
Windows(without formatting). Choose the same original folder
(C:\windows). I think it's the "repair" option.
If that works probably some corrupted system files/registry.
Then run the HD Manufacturer's test program on it. If the HD
is failing, you can buy a 1TB cheap, install on that, then copy your
data to the new disk.
Ah, and run Memtest, bad RAM can corrupt files/registry too.
You get no error messages?
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Old August 23rd 19, 03:34 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
T. Ment
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:19:29 -0500, pheasant16 wrote:

A week ago it told me I had 3 days to activate it or it would shut off,
so let it register online, and the nag screen went away. 3 days later
it quit.


Last time I tried to activate XP online, it failed. But AntiWPA solves
that problem

https://antiwpa.planet-dl.org/index2.php

Firefox warns about malware, but Microsoft probably reported the site to
scare people. The file is Antiwpa-V3.4.6 for X64 and X86.ZiP.

Then I use Portup for updates.

http://www.portableupdate.com


Hard drive failing or bad software? No hardware changes made for many
years.


Or bad motherboard. They don't build them to last more than 5 years or
so. Some will last longer, I have 20 year old motherboards running fine.
But 1 bad capacitor can cause failure.

Take the motherboard out of the case and inspect the capacitors. Any
bulging of the top, even slightly, means it's bad. It can be replaced,
but that takes soldering skill most PC repair shops don't have.


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Old August 23rd 19, 03:58 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On 8/22/2019 7:19 PM, pheasant16 wrote:
Puts the desktop picture up, but loads no icons and won't connect to
network.¬* Boots into safe mode just fine.

Still have the original retail XP disk when I built the box.

Took it to a computer store, they didn't ask about the disk,¬* but their
advice was too old get a new box.¬* They tried a couple ways to get it
loaded, but no luck.

Broke down and got a new Win 10 desktop and am satisfied with it as a
replacement, but would still like to salvage the old one if possible.

A week ago it told me I had 3 days to activate it or it would shut off,
so let it register online, and the nag screen went away.¬* 3 days later
it quit.

Hard drive failing or bad software?¬* No hardware changes made for many
years.

Didn't do a system restore as read that if done in safe mode any
previous dates may be lost.

Would it be possible to boot from the CD and overlay the program files
without formatting and starting from scratch.¬* Everything I've ever read
about repair installs makes a fresh install seem like the easiest way to
go.

Guess I could throw a new hard drive in and do a fresh install, but then
I've lost the data I'm hoping to just be able to access if needed. (safe
mode does that now, but need a winter project)

Also Cardfile isn't in Win10.¬* Found a program that will work in place
of it, dragged the .crd files from the old box to a USB drive, put it in
the new¬* machine, and flash drive looks empty on the Win10 box.¬* Dug out
an old Win 7, and drive showed empty there also.¬* Put it back in the XP
box and shows up just fine.¬* FAT 32 is how it was formatted before use.

Thanks for any ideas you can share.¬* This should be good for a couple
days when the snow flies.

Download one of those Live Linux systems to a flash drive and see if the
system can boot/run from that.

If it does that would tend to rule out most motherboard and power supply
problems. Using the OS from the flash drive should allow you to view the
hard drive diagnostics and run tests as well.
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Old August 23rd 19, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:19:29 -0500, pheasant16
wrote:

No fun. It's like working on two faulty cars without one up and
running to get around for parts or just to get by on. So, your
replacement desktop, you didn't assemble, in addition to the XP box,
you -did- assemble -- both done gone kaputzy and just quit?

Stay away from your hard drives (and any data on them you value) until
you establish the MB/Memory/PS are not in fault conditions. Sure,
that is -not- to say you do not need a HD to do that, but a "boot HD"
can come a contingency of both a USB or DVD/CD boot;- Besides, a new
128G SSD is easily found under $20.

Building a computer over the course of a repair requires both
substitute parts, convenient enough to say when one spare parts works
over another that does not. Start with the MB and PS;- memory has a
tentatively better chance of being OK. At a fundamental software
layer that needn't be so complex as Microsoft, but to simply see a DOS
boot for a command prompt can establish a minimal hardware working
platform condition does in fact exist.

Next comes the selection of hardware you purchased. You want good
hardware and you want the included drivers it supports. That can run
from motherboard providers to XP, minimally XP3, W7, to W10, and,
optionally, more or less broadly, UNIX variants. As soon as you buy
Joe Blow's PC desktop assembly, whether from a fleamarket or BestBuy's
Geek Squad warranty fine-print specifications, there then becomes a
potential of an added layer of associative bull****;- Direct MB
support: that's good, A-OK when regarded over an established platform
of users for a type of support arguably that has apparent advantages.

It's where mechanical skills are at a minimum, getting around on parts
without inconsiderably breaking them. It's also where rational
skills, the knowledge and sense of what is to be expected or imposed
upon software, to subsequently benefit from a hardware selection
choice, is no less demanding if not moreso, these days, where
handhelds and W10 is being actively promoted for theoretical
industrial-grade dick-sheaths, where one size proactively is marketed
to fit over all, from their pointy little head down to tight fists
clenched impotently at their sides.

Puts the desktop picture up, but loads no icons and won't connect to
network. Boots into safe mode just fine.

Still have the original retail XP disk when I built the box.

Took it to a computer store, they didn't ask about the disk, but their
advice was too old get a new box. They tried a couple ways to get it
loaded, but no luck.

Broke down and got a new Win 10 desktop and am satisfied with it as a
replacement, but would still like to salvage the old one if possible.

A week ago it told me I had 3 days to activate it or it would shut off,
so let it register online, and the nag screen went away. 3 days later
it quit.

Hard drive failing or bad software? No hardware changes made for many
years.

Didn't do a system restore as read that if done in safe mode any
previous dates may be lost.

Would it be possible to boot from the CD and overlay the program files
without formatting and starting from scratch. Everything I've ever read
about repair installs makes a fresh install seem like the easiest way to go.

Guess I could throw a new hard drive in and do a fresh install, but then
I've lost the data I'm hoping to just be able to access if needed. (safe
mode does that now, but need a winter project)

Also Cardfile isn't in Win10. Found a program that will work in place
of it, dragged the .crd files from the old box to a USB drive, put it in
the new machine, and flash drive looks empty on the Win10 box. Dug out
an old Win 7, and drive showed empty there also. Put it back in the XP
box and shows up just fine. FAT 32 is how it was formatted before use.

Thanks for any ideas you can share. This should be good for a couple
days when the snow flies.

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Old August 23rd 19, 07:45 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Flasherly[_2_]
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 14:26:59 -0400, Flasherly
wrote:

Sorry. Not everyone's idea of fun is a very considerable collection
of rational software, mostly free, or the means *now* to get with an
aptitude to understand and apply it. Mother Microsoft and its Windows
10 install DVD, respectively, does what it can for a one-sizer
solution among available software protocols ...

More or less among some I might advance as hardcore to people with
wires oddly enough dangling between their teeth:

https://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

I've personally been collecting HIREMS distribution since, oh, they
had to modify them for industrial copyright infringements. Top shelf
resource and repair material with an eye for those that build PCs in
my estimation.

It's also where rational
skills, the knowledge and sense of what is to be expected or imposed
upon software, to subsequently benefit from a hardware selection
choice, is no less demanding if not moreso,

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Old August 24th 19, 12:01 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
pheasant16
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On 8/23/2019 1:26 PM, Flasherly wrote:
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:19:29 -0500, pheasant16
wrote:

No fun. It's like working on two faulty cars without one up and
running to get around for parts or just to get by on. So, your
replacement desktop, you didn't assemble, in addition to the XP box,
you -did- assemble -- both done gone kaputzy and just quit?

No the new box works great. I've fallen away from building so had it
built in a local shop where I used to buy parts in my younger days.

Stay away from your hard drives (and any data on them you value) until
you establish the MB/Memory/PS are not in fault conditions. Sure,
that is -not- to say you do not need a HD to do that, but a "boot HD"
can come a contingency of both a USB or DVD/CD boot;- Besides, a new
128G SSD is easily found under $20.

Kind of my thought. Buy a cheap hard drive to load OS, just use the old
HD to find the data I need. Won't need the programs any more. It would
be nice to restore it to full function but the saving the data is the
main goal. Do have a couple Win 7 licenses that are unused, so may
upgrade from XP. LOL

Building a computer over the course of a repair requires both
substitute parts, convenient enough to say when one spare parts works
over another that does not. Start with the MB and PS;- memory has a
tentatively better chance of being OK. At a fundamental software
layer that needn't be so complex as Microsoft, but to simply see a DOS
boot for a command prompt can establish a minimal hardware working
platform condition does in fact exist.

Don't keep up with the new, and can't imagine buying anything this old
to cobble it with. I was thinking of looking at the caps, replacing the
CMOS battery, and reseating the memory and calling that good. Kids and
grands keep me far too busy to invest much time in the old machine.


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Old August 24th 19, 03:57 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Flasherly[_2_]
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 06:01:52 -0500, pheasant16
wrote:

Won't need the programs any more. It would
be nice to restore it to full function but the saving the data is the
main goal. Do have a couple Win 7 licenses that are unused, so may
upgrade from XP. LOL


A USB3 docking station for disk drives might be nice, (it's faster
over large data hauls except there's fewer "good ones", at least last
I looked, than older USB2 models that can tend to be this side of
inexpensive but slow), whereas directly connecting HDD storage drives
to spare SATA ports on a good and working computer costs nothing.
Provided there's no malware or foul play in corrupted data. Without a
back-up for retrieving data varies according to a state the HDD or
storage device is in. Failing HDDs means while failing for some
leeway. Once failed that's it and nothing short of expensive forensic
lab services will recognize it. Mechanical storage of course;- a
failed SSD I'd imagine equivocally a meltdown.

Depending on how import to you that data is, it may be better to keep
a drive away from a questionable computer until diagnosed for whether
it's capable of running in a continued steady-state condition.

Clean OS loads may all that's indicated once the data is safely
transferred. With a boot arbitrator in the MBR of one the drives, it
can point to active partitions for different operating systems.
Windows 7 uses GRUB, however, and doesn't play well, so it may be more
convenient to establish W7 on a different physical HDD before plugging
back another boot arbitrator on another drive, whereupon the BIOS boot
sequence is defined for the second. You can have both XP and W7 and
more besides that way.
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Old August 30th 19, 05:40 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Bob F
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Default Win XP quits loading (Finally forced me to get a new box)

On 8/22/2019 5:19 PM, pheasant16 wrote:
Puts the desktop picture up, but loads no icons and won't connect to
network.¬* Boots into safe mode just fine.

Still have the original retail XP disk when I built the box.

Took it to a computer store, they didn't ask about the disk,¬* but their
advice was too old get a new box.¬* They tried a couple ways to get it
loaded, but no luck.

Broke down and got a new Win 10 desktop and am satisfied with it as a
replacement, but would still like to salvage the old one if possible.

A week ago it told me I had 3 days to activate it or it would shut off,
so let it register online, and the nag screen went away.¬* 3 days later
it quit.

Hard drive failing or bad software?¬* No hardware changes made for many
years.

Didn't do a system restore as read that if done in safe mode any
previous dates may be lost.

Would it be possible to boot from the CD and overlay the program files
without formatting and starting from scratch.¬* Everything I've ever read
about repair installs makes a fresh install seem like the easiest way to
go.

Guess I could throw a new hard drive in and do a fresh install, but then
I've lost the data I'm hoping to just be able to access if needed. (safe
mode does that now, but need a winter project)

Also Cardfile isn't in Win10.¬* Found a program that will work in place
of it, dragged the .crd files from the old box to a USB drive, put it in
the new¬* machine, and flash drive looks empty on the Win10 box.¬* Dug out
an old Win 7, and drive showed empty there also.¬* Put it back in the XP
box and shows up just fine.¬* FAT 32 is how it was formatted before use.

Thanks for any ideas you can share.¬* This should be good for a couple
days when the snow flies.


Download and burn to CD the ultimate boot disk
https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html.

Boot the XP system from that disk.

Run memtst86+ to test the memory. If that goes a few passes with no
problem -

Run the WD disk test program short test. If that passes, run the long test.

My guess is that you will find your disk is crashing.

 




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