what's with my ink setup?

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:19:29 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:34 am, measekite wrote:

The only known source of bulk ink is Sensinent and you need to buy each
color by the gallon. I called them and that is what I was told. And even
them had major issues with their bulk magenta.

There is also Image Specialists. You can buy it form Inksupply.com
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm
You've been told this many times. MIS is the an official distriubter
of Image Specialists inks.
http://www.image-specialists.com/abo...lobal_dis.aspx

They've been listed as an official distributer for over 3 years now.
AFAIK you only get branded bottles if you buy pints.

You also bring up Lyson inks as well. There are a few other brands of
bulk ink including Pelikan/InkTek/PriteRite and such.



Known to be either the trash of the garbage or the garbage of the trash.



The "issue" you're speaking of is when a company accidentally ordered
Sentient bci7/cli8 magenta and sold it as being compatible. It was a
minor mistake that was resolved 3 years ago.


There you go the fly by niters

Hobbicolors may have made that error as well.

I called them. They told me they were not willing to tell me what they
are selling. They sounded nice but feel they did not want to disclose the
crap they sell.


Canon certainly has made that error, filling bci-3e with bci-6 ink.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:10:13 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:48 am, measekite wrote:

Here is some bull**** that you can eat. Let say you want an Epson 3800
printer or a Canon IPF5100 printer. Go to the Turbo print website and you
will find no support. And there are many other models.

Dude, you're such a little liar.

http://www.turboprint.info/printers.html

Epson Stylus Pro, Epson Stylus ProXL,
Epson Stylus Pro 4800 , Epson Stylus Pro 7800 ,
Epson Stylus Pro 9800


Hey liar. I said Epson 3800 or the Canon IPF 5100. You listed old
printers and not current models.

Ok fine not the 3800, but that's not a bad range of supported Stylus Pro
4800 Epsons. the 3800 is presently listed as a paperweight.

Not a bad range of old discontinued stuff.

As it turns out there "is" support for the ip4600, my information was
out of date.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:40:42 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:48 am, measekite wrote:
Here is some bull**** that you can eat. Let say you want an Epson 3800
printer or a Canon IPF5100 printer. Go to the Turbo print website and you
will find no support. And there are many other models.

You understand that the IPF5100 is an a2 printer, as in 17 inches
wide? Not exactly a desktop printer.
No support for those.


What do you think those discontinued Epson printers are

Whether you can share on a network and use a PostScript compatible RIP
package on a PC to get it to work, I don't know.

But dude, you have to pull out 17 inch printers to justify that
Turboprint support is poor? Turboprint is pretty much for desktop
printers. Both the IPF5100 and Epson 3800 need their own desk.

But you want a graphics printer for linux? Get one that has native
postscript support. Problem solved.

I do not even think the Canon IP4600 is supported. If a new model of
anything comes out it is very iffy that you will find Linux support for it.
And that is not only true for printers. Mot packaging say support for
Version ??? of Windows and most for version ??? for Mac.

The ip4600 will be released with the next driver according to
zedonet. It doesn't work with the ip4500 driver.


There is limited support for printers under linux from OEMs. Third

There is no support form USA printer mfg.



Party support is better, mainly things like Turboprint which isn't
free, but reasonably priced.
ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux
Canon has some support for the ip3100/ip4100 but as previously said,
canon them selves don't support cd printing nor duplex printing. They

and CanonUSA does not support Linux at all. END OF STORY.

BULL****
http://www.usa.canon.com/opd/control... modelid=9013

That's the nice thing about you making blanket negative claims. I
only need one example to prove you wrong, and prove you're just making
up ****.


Go call CanonUSA tech support. Or Epson. They will tell you they do not
support Linux.

Read the box the printer comes in. No support for Linux. Are you a dunce
or something. Can't you read English --American English. I do not know
about the Kings English.





have a guide for the ip4300 but it's in Japanese and I can't make
heads nor tails of it.
http://support-au.canon.com.au/EN/se...1〈=EN&catego...
This is as close to out of the box support as you can get. The .rpm

Close but no cigar

What, you don't download the latest drivers when you buy a printer?

It has support, crappy support, but support.
I'm told is limited to 600dpi, and as expected, no advanced features
are supported such as CD printing or duplex.

You can say this is inadequate support, **** poor support, but you
can't claim it's NO support. Measekite would have us believe it's
not

Inadequate is None. You cannot print great photos with the machine.
NONE

Inadequate isn't none. Get turboprint. Problem solved. Or print from
your pictbridge camera. Plug camera into PC, edit image on camera, save
image, attach camera to printer. Not a great solution, but a solution.

That is like buying a car and only reverse works. But someone like you
would buy it if it was cheap and drive around backwards all of the
time.

Silly fool. I never said canon had good linux support.

On Nov 14, 9:13 pm, measekite wrote:

What do you think those discontinued Epson printers are

We clearly have a different definition of what discontinued means.
Yes, there are new models. However, the 4800 vs the 4880 doesn't look
like an improvement. Ultrachrome k3 inks, 8 tanks, 110ml each. They
are still being sold in stores (JVH and camera shops).

Turboprint supports last years model of Epson Professional wide
printers. They don't support this years model. Given that
professional printers tend to be in service longer than desktop
printers, given the 2 year warranty, I think it's spiffy. You want a
professional printer under linux, get the 4800, problem solved.

There is limited support for printers under linux from OEMs. Third

There is no support form USA printer mfg.

Incorrect. As I already showed you CanonUSA supports the imageRUNNER
under linux. Granted this is an enterprise solution, but it's blanket
statements like this that I only need one example to prove you
wrong.

Linux support sucks. However you can't say it doesn't exist.

BULL****
http://www.usa.canon.com/opd/control...ailAct&fcatego...

See, Bull****.


That's the nice thing about you making blanket negative claims. I
only need one example to prove you wrong, and prove you're just making
up ****.

Go call CanonUSA tech support. Or Epson. They will tell you they do not
support Linux.

CanonUSA gave me a link to the Japanese website. Epson same deal.

Read the box the printer comes in. No support for Linux. Are you a dunce
or something. Can't you read English --American English. I do not know
about the Kings English.

I read English just fine. Their Linux support is lame. Canon's linux
support is lame, but it's not non existant.

This is a case of Measkite moving the goalposts because he can't stand
to be wrong.

Canon has limited linux support. It's limited to their older models,
like the ip4000 and such. They offer limited support using stock
linux BJ drivers and a filter. If you want your ip4300, ip4500,
ip4600 to work under linux, and all the functions supported, get
turboprint, it's 30 euros.

On Nov 14, 9:07 pm, measekite wrote:

Hobbicolors may have made that error as well.

I called them. They told me they were not willing to tell me what they
are selling. They sounded nice but feel they did not want to disclose the
crap they sell.

Hobbicolors clearly does not disclose what they sell. There are other
people who do.
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm

Canon doesn't disclose who makes their ink, neither does Epson or HP
or Lexmark.

You don't want to buy ink from a company that doesn't disclose what
they sell, find, don't buy Canon anymore, buy Image Specalists, or
Formulabs, or KCP, or Priterite, or Inktek, or Pelikin. Plenty of
name brands to choose from.

measher-****-head, the oem ink drinking loser wrote:

---snipped this ignorant assholes worthless diatribe as a public---

What an amazingly stupid, arrogant, ignorant asshole POS loser you are.
Go back to austria you fascist, atheist bigoted loser.

measekite wrote:


Incorrect. Better is not paying more but paying less when you get the
same thing.
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No wonder you've been a complete failure at life.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:40:44 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:13 pm, measekite wrote:

What do you think those discontinued Epson printers are

We clearly have a different definition of what discontinued means.
Yes, there are new models. However, the 4800 vs the 4880 doesn't look
like an improvement. Ultrachrome k3 inks, 8 tanks, 110ml each. They
are still being sold in stores (JVH and camera shops).

When a new model supersedes an existing model the mfg discontinues the
older model. The retailers will of course sell their discontinues
merchandise since they bought it. I am sure that some retailers are still
sitting with old stuff. As a matter of fact some Jeeps are 2 or 3 years
old and have never been sold. Now that is way discontinued.





Turboprint supports last years model of Epson Professional wide
printers. They don't support this years model. Given that
professional printers tend to be in service longer than desktop
printers, given the 2 year warranty, I think it's spiffy. You want a
professional printer under linux, get the 4800, problem solved.


I want the newest and latest technology. The 4880 has a shorter round
trip when switching from matte black to photo black so it costs less to
operated. The 3800 is even better. The Canon line costs nothing to
switch.

There is limited support for printers under linux from OEMs. Third

There is no support form USA printer mfg.

Incorrect. As I already showed you CanonUSA supports the imageRUNNER
under linux. Granted this is an enterprise solution, but it's blanket
statements like this that I only need one example to prove you wrong.

Linux support sucks. However you can't say it doesn't exist.

BULL****
http://www.usa.canon.com/opd/control...ailAct&fcatego...

See, Bull****.


That's the nice thing about you making blanket negative claims. I
only need one example to prove you wrong, and prove you're just
making up ****.

Go call CanonUSA tech support. Or Epson. They will tell you they do
not support Linux.

CanonUSA gave me a link to the Japanese website. Epson same deal.

Read the box the printer comes in. No support for Linux. Are you a
dunce or something. Can't you read English --American English. I do
not know about the Kings English.

I read English just fine. Their Linux support is lame. Canon's linux
support is lame, but it's not non existant.

CanonUSA support and EpsonUSA support is non existing. You cannot even
download a Linux driver from either site and tech support will tell you
they do not support Linux.

This is a case of Measkite moving the goalposts because he can't stand
to be wrong.

Canon has limited linux support. It's limited to their older models,

No models

like the ip4000 and such. They offer limited support using stock linux


My IP4000 has no Linux support from CanonUSA.

BJ drivers and a filter. If you want your ip4300, ip4500, ip4600 to
work under linux, and all the functions supported, get turboprint, it's
30 euros.

Borderless printing does not work properly under TurboPrint when using
Gimp.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:44:18 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:07 pm, measekite wrote:

Hobbicolors may have made that error as well.

I called them. They told me they were not willing to tell me what they
are selling. They sounded nice but feel they did not want to disclose the
crap they sell.

Hobbicolors clearly does not disclose what they sell. There are other
people who do.
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm

Canon doesn't disclose who makes their ink, neither does Epson or HP
or Lexmark.


That is a dumb statement. Many mfg clearly design and develop what they
sell that is packaged under their name. They do outsource some factory
production but they oversee that the machines that produce what is their
brand is done according to their specifications and design and quality
level so that they produce a consistent product. In this case it does not
make a difference who owns the capital equipment and premises and who pays
directly for the labor. There are also times that a mfg maintains a QA
department in the outsourced factory.

Therefore, in essence, Canon makes their own ink.




You don't want to buy ink from a company that doesn't disclose what
they sell, find, don't buy Canon anymore, buy Image Specalists, or
Formulabs, or KCP, or Priterite, or Inktek, or Pelikin. Plenty of
name brands to choose from.

Again you most of what you mention is garbage. Sensinent does not sell
consumers sizes of ink.

measekite wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:44:18 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:07 pm, measekite wrote:

Hobbicolors may have made that error as well.
I called them. They told me they were not willing to tell me what they
are selling. They sounded nice but feel they did not want to disclose the
crap they sell.
Hobbicolors clearly does not disclose what they sell. There are other
people who do.
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm

Canon doesn't disclose who makes their ink, neither does Epson or HP
or Lexmark.


That is a dumb statement. Many mfg clearly design and develop what they
sell that is packaged under their name. They do outsource some factory
production but they oversee that the machines that produce what is their
brand is done according to their specifications and design and quality
level so that they produce a consistent product. In this case it does not
make a difference who owns the capital equipment and premises and who pays
directly for the labor. There are also times that a mfg maintains a QA
department in the outsourced factory.

Therefore, in essence, Canon makes their own ink.

No! Canon does "contract manufacturing". That means they pay someone
else to manufacturer to their specification.
Those specifications are usually jointly developed by both parties.



You don't want to buy ink from a company that doesn't disclose what
they sell, find, don't buy Canon anymore, buy Image Specalists, or
Formulabs, or KCP, or Priterite, or Inktek, or Pelikin. Plenty of
name brands to choose from.

Again you most of what you mention is garbage. Sensinent does not sell
consumers sizes of ink.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Best you just STFU and get lost.