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I have the impression (correct me if I am wrong) that the component
qulaity and the build quality of a Dell is pretty decent. Sure it is The build quality is probably unmatched. Laptops are a bit less reliable but then again, they always are... Rob. |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:04:54 GMT, "Rob Nicholson"
wrote: chosen to buy in some Dell PCs for the office. One reason might be that I am, as you say, an idiot. The other reason might be that the Dells do the job I need for the office, and they cost 20% less to buy in ready-built than the price at which I can buy the parts. 20%? Yes, that probably sounds about right. We've only built one custom PC at work (a dual Athlon XP system) and we've had no end of problems with it - it's always got the top off :-) The Dell PCs & servers just sit there and work 24/7. This is the thing with Dell compareed to many self builds. Dell go for reasonable quality components that are not pushing too hard but are stable. They have checked for compatibility so you known there most likley won't be odd conflicts (at least at the driver release you get). How many people self build a server with a hot swap SCSI array and hot swap redundant power supplies? Thats the sort of area where Dell is good.. -- Gamma gamma gamma chameleon You come and glow, you come and glow. Kick out the cats before you reply |
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.... does that translate into "no one ever got fired for buying an IBM"
))))))))) Do they still make Thinkpads themselves? I know they've just sold the entire PC arm to a company in China. Rob. |
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I ask because your suggestion/experience of Dell has no reflection on
what it's like in the UK (Britain) Eh? Software purchased with a Dell PC (i.e. Windows XP Professional & Office 2003) is always cheaper than purchased separately, unless you have a huge license agreement. Rob. |
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1, the CPU cooler consisted of a green plastic duct over the metalwork
led to a 120 mm fan on the rear, nice and quiet. Those are nice aren't they - I'd never class Dell PCs as loud. Compared to some of their rack mount servers which sound like a jumbo jet :-) 2, No AGP socket - the solder pads are there on the board, but no socket. This one had onboard graphics. If you wanted to upgrade to decent graphics you'd have to use a PCI card. Out of interest, what's the performance of a PCI graphics card compared to an AGP one? Rob. |
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:00:20 -0000, Tx2
wrote: snip Whilst they may be able to secure better pricing on apps, their support, IME, is not up to the standard you reflect it as being wherever you are located. They are a big organisation, and IME, it is rare for big organisations to give as good as, and certainly not better, support than your local independent self-builder. Of course thats assuming that the self builder is never going to go on say a 1 or 2 week holiday, say leaving the company the self built machine for in the lurch until they get back. Or say the builder is out fixing another machine whilst one fails and is unable to get there the same day to fix that one as its a one man business. FTR, I am discussing Dell from a self-build angle, and not cutting edge technology servers et al, of which i have no experience. Servers can be self built, but unless you understand the technology beind them I wouldn't recomend it. They don't tend to be cutting edge technology anyway, better to be just behind the curve and have kit that is tried and tested to be compatible, stable and robust. I guess you are talking more from the perspective desk top PC in an environment that can cope with it being out for a day or more, e.g. a business non PC centric or a home user. -- Gamma gamma gamma chameleon You come and glow, you come and glow. Kick out the cats before you reply |
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"Tx2" wrote in message t... I have given examples of my experience with Dell in the UK via another posting, and I believe there have been other posts made reflecting such from other users in this thread. I can well believe the difficulties you mention with Dell. However, on the plus side, they do at least test-run the systems before shipping them, so that cuts down some of the problems. All the components in the system are tested first by the manufacturers and then by Dell when they test-run the system. If you buy your components from an online supplier, you are of course having to deal with *their* often ****ty customer services if you have a problem. I have had more duff components than duff fully-built PCs because the PCs go through the second stage of testing. I am sure that you do the same when you build a system for a customer, so I am not suggesting that Dell are doing anything particularly clever here. Geoff |
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Me.
I have read of many cases where the Dell SCSI RAID config is bolted down in the SCSI firmware. IE RAID 5 and thats that. Only one disc volume, no options. Building a server is easy. Bigger margins, better quality everywhere, less driver hassles so long as you pick the right h/w (WHQL).You can save many thousands on a modest server. Not for the inexperienced tho I suppose. "Gama Chameleon" wrote in message news On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:04:54 GMT, "Rob Nicholson" wrote: chosen to buy in some Dell PCs for the office. One reason might be that I am, as you say, an idiot. The other reason might be that the Dells do the job I need for the office, and they cost 20% less to buy in ready-built than the price at which I can buy the parts. 20%? Yes, that probably sounds about right. We've only built one custom PC at work (a dual Athlon XP system) and we've had no end of problems with it - it's always got the top off :-) The Dell PCs & servers just sit there and work 24/7. This is the thing with Dell compareed to many self builds. Dell go for reasonable quality components that are not pushing too hard but are stable. They have checked for compatibility so you known there most likley won't be odd conflicts (at least at the driver release you get). How many people self build a server with a hot swap SCSI array and hot swap redundant power supplies? Thats the sort of area where Dell is good.. -- Gamma gamma gamma chameleon You come and glow, you come and glow. Kick out the cats before you reply |
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Servers cutting edge? Huh?
Conservative cutting edge IE lagging 6 months at least. You will find more raid, more advacned controllers, system management functions etc. but that is long in the tooth stuff. "Gama Chameleon" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:00:20 -0000, Tx2 wrote: snip Whilst they may be able to secure better pricing on apps, their support, IME, is not up to the standard you reflect it as being wherever you are located. They are a big organisation, and IME, it is rare for big organisations to give as good as, and certainly not better, support than your local independent self-builder. Of course thats assuming that the self builder is never going to go on say a 1 or 2 week holiday, say leaving the company the self built machine for in the lurch until they get back. Or say the builder is out fixing another machine whilst one fails and is unable to get there the same day to fix that one as its a one man business. FTR, I am discussing Dell from a self-build angle, and not cutting edge technology servers et al, of which i have no experience. Servers can be self built, but unless you understand the technology beind them I wouldn't recomend it. They don't tend to be cutting edge technology anyway, better to be just behind the curve and have kit that is tried and tested to be compatible, stable and robust. I guess you are talking more from the perspective desk top PC in an environment that can cope with it being out for a day or more, e.g. a business non PC centric or a home user. -- Gamma gamma gamma chameleon You come and glow, you come and glow. Kick out the cats before you reply |
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