WARNING the 3.8 Catalyst driver could kill your monitor!!!

this is the type of person that should only be allowed to purchase a complete system from
Dell or Gateway. Then only if it purchases the complete extended warranty, with taxi fare
included.



their should be encounter groups for these types to identify and profile Computer
terrorists such as they are/become.

I see in the government IT departments all the time. At least there they have come to
grips with these IT wan Abe's and force them to only purchase complete DELL systems for
their minions shackled to the IT departmental whims.



can you imagine driving your truck down to the grange, say about thirty years ago and
telling a farm tractor or field plow story - such as this bugger cries on about. Gawd
he'd be banned from the cracker barrel and local gossip 'good 'ol' boys.



whatever -



Muito pesaroso, homem, eu apenas não o começo que eu estou fresco como um anel de espuma




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Another ****ty experience with a display card from ATI ........
Here's the story. Long time ago I bought an all in wonder Raedeon
display card. The very first before they added any kind of numbers to
the model designator. True... the capture software, Guide+ and the time
shifting features are very compelling and in the brief moments when it
actually worked I was thrilled. But always....... Crash BSOD. I must
have spent weeks trying to resolve various issues with this card, sound
breaking up (the pop pop issue) frames skipping, and always in the end
the BSOD. I must have done a 1000 searches in forums and tried every
possible remedy, new motherboard, new ram, new PSU even a new AIW, you
name it,.... I tried it. I finally gave up on all the features and used
it as a plane display card only. No MMC just plane old graphics card.
Time passes and I decide to give it another try, maybe this could be
something related to the OS? The only thing I never really tried. I've
been running W2K, and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ? fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!). XP installs like
a charm, and to probe just how good the Keygen is I decide to subscribe
to windows automated update, and bingo!, everything DX9b, SP1,
soundblaster and updated displaydrivers for the All in wonder comes
flying down from Microsoft, reboot a couple of times and I'm good to
go.... And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking ****! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair). I tried to power down the monitor, but just before I hit the
power bottom the H-sync completely died, a only a very bright vertical
bar was showing. Viewsonic P225f bye bye....
This is when I turn to Google and discovers that people before me
have experienced the same thing. What I also see are the people who
dismiss this including of cource ATI. But i recon the chances of my
monitor dying less than 30 sec after installation of the Catalyst 3.8
driver are a million to one.
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?
In any case, let this be a warning. I've seen a lot of "advice" being
posted in newsgroup and forums. Usually it's based on nothing but
personal preferences or less than accurate facts (e.g. Turtle beach
sound card fixes everything!) This is the real thing. This driver set is
a "killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of driver
installations and JPG's to prove the state of FORMERLY great monitor.
Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not confined to 9800
or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA

FORMER ATI user wrote:
blah, blah, blah
and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ?

You sound mature.

fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!)

Self confessed thief...

blah, blah
And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking ****! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair).

Self confessed serial (monitor) killer.

blah, blah, blah
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?

No, not likely. If software can damage a monitor it is poorly deisgned.

This has been done here before... the claims of monitor death as a direct
result of errors in Cat 3.8s is yet to be substantiated.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...

What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?

No, not likely. If software can damage a monitor it is poorly deisgned.

This has been done here before... the claims of monitor death as a direct
result of errors in Cat 3.8s is yet to be substantiated.

Plus the fact all modern monitors when presented with a signal outside of
their capabilities simply refuse to even try to display it.

Hellraiser...........

FORMER ATI user wrote in
:

This is the real thing. This driver set is a
"killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of
driver installations and JPG's to prove the state of
FORMERLY great monitor. Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not
confined to 9800 or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA



Lets see now, when I open up display properties go to settings,
advanced, monitor I have a liitle tick box that states hide
modes this monitor cannot display under the refresh rate
heading. It even warns unticking it can lead to damaged
hardware.

I leave this ticked, installing the CAT 3.8's has not unticked
this, so how exactly do they cause monitors to fail by trying to
display outside the range?

Oh they don't! The user pulls the trigger by unticking the box
and then using a higher refresh rate than their monitor can
handle because they know best.

Sorry that is not true... Nvidia troll.

Nvidia started this rumor because they can not compete in real world
performance.

"FORMER ATI user" wrote in message
...
Another ****ty experience with a display card from ATI ........
Here's the story. Long time ago I bought an all in wonder Raedeon
display card. The very first before they added any kind of numbers to
the model designator. True... the capture software, Guide+ and the time
shifting features are very compelling and in the brief moments when it
actually worked I was thrilled. But always....... Crash BSOD. I must
have spent weeks trying to resolve various issues with this card, sound
breaking up (the pop pop issue) frames skipping, and always in the end
the BSOD. I must have done a 1000 searches in forums and tried every
possible remedy, new motherboard, new ram, new PSU even a new AIW, you
name it,.... I tried it. I finally gave up on all the features and used
it as a plane display card only. No MMC just plane old graphics card.
Time passes and I decide to give it another try, maybe this could be
something related to the OS? The only thing I never really tried. I've
been running W2K, and XP never really appealed to me (it is kind of
gayish isn't it ? fluffy icons in pastel colors ;-)) Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me!). XP installs like
a charm, and to probe just how good the Keygen is I decide to subscribe
to windows automated update, and bingo!, everything DX9b, SP1,
soundblaster and updated displaydrivers for the All in wonder comes
flying down from Microsoft, reboot a couple of times and I'm good to
go.... And this is where I make the crucial mistake In order to install
the MMC I download the full package from ATI, i.e.. the full 25 meg of
drivers,control panel and VDM capture drivers. After install and the
mandatory reboot, I manage to see the XP "Welcome" greeting before the
monitor goes into some insane state. No H-sync Out of control V-sync.
This lasted about 5 sec and I clearly remember thinking ****! I've seen
this before (About 10 years ago when I by mistake screwed up the driver
on a 386box with a 5k$ Eizo monitor and destroyed the monitor beyond
repair). I tried to power down the monitor, but just before I hit the
power bottom the H-sync completely died, a only a very bright vertical
bar was showing. Viewsonic P225f bye bye....
This is when I turn to Google and discovers that people before me
have experienced the same thing. What I also see are the people who
dismiss this including of cource ATI. But i recon the chances of my
monitor dying less than 30 sec after installation of the Catalyst 3.8
driver are a million to one.
What would you guys do? Isn't this finally a case where a software
developer could be held responsible for the garbage they advise people
to download?
In any case, let this be a warning. I've seen a lot of "advice" being
posted in newsgroup and forums. Usually it's based on nothing but
personal preferences or less than accurate facts (e.g. Turtle beach
sound card fixes everything!) This is the real thing. This driver set is
a "killer". If anyone is interested, I have full logs of driver
installations and JPG's to prove the state of FORMERLY great monitor.
Advice anyone?

btw THIS is a plane AIW radeon, so the problem is not confined to 9800
or 9700 boards...

Henrik
San Diego CA



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LBJGH wrote:
Sorry that is not true... Nvidia troll.

Nvidia started this rumor because they can not compete in real world
performance.

With absolutely no evidence to back up such a statement, you're as bad as
the OP.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...

Give me a break one or two people started this RUMOR on many of the tech
sites. There has been absolutely no proof that the drivers caused a
hardware failure.

I had a monitor die several years ago will using a 4mb Triton AGP card and a
12mb Voodoo2 addon card... I wonder what drivers were responsible for that
monitor failure?

A fact of life... hardware failures happen from time to time... people
should just accept that fact instead of attempting to slag a quality product
with quality drivers.

Nvidia starting the rumor? Well maybe not. Nvidiot starting the rumor?
Probably.


"Ben Pope" wrote in message
...
LBJGH wrote:
Sorry that is not true... Nvidia troll.

Nvidia started this rumor because they can not compete in real world
performance.

With absolutely no evidence to back up such a statement, you're as bad as
the OP.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...




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LBJGH wrote:
Give me a break one or two people started this RUMOR on many of the tech
sites. There has been absolutely no proof that the drivers caused a
hardware failure.

And equally there's no proof that nVidia started the rumour.

I had a monitor die several years ago will using a 4mb Triton AGP card
and a 12mb Voodoo2 addon card... I wonder what drivers were responsible
for that monitor failure?

None, as we all know.

A fact of life... hardware failures happen from time to time... people
should just accept that fact instead of attempting to slag a quality
product with quality drivers.

Indeed.

Nvidia starting the rumor? Well maybe not. Nvidiot starting the rumor?
Probably.

It's pointless arguing who started a rumour and then calling them names
etc., the point is whether or not the basis of the rumour lies in fact or
not. And it's pretty unlikely that software can damage a well designed
monitor, no matter how badly written it is.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...

"FORMER ATI user" wrote in message
...

snip

Anyway i decided to
give it yet another shot, so I log into Easynews, retrieve an ISO of XP
corp and a keygenerator (On a side note: I have NEVER understood why
anyone would spend as much a 5 min on peer to peer file swapping, when
sites like Easynews, for a mere 10 bucks, gives you a full 25 days of
usenet postings with a http interface.... beyond me

snip

Henrik
San Diego CA


And there's no chance, of course, that it could have been anything other
than the ATi drivers...

patrickp