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I'll post this even though I'm not convinced anybody who can use the
info will ever find it here. It's just that I've received so much good info in this newsgroup over the years (primarily from Paul) that I want to give back if I can. My problem was that I'd installed three versions of Win10 on my new Prime X299-A setup and when I'd choose something other than my default OS using F8, all the boot options (OSs and optical drive) would get scrambled in UEFI BIOS. Once I'd picked an alternative OS using F8, I never could be sure exactly what OS I'd get upon reboot. (I don't use Boot Manager, want never to see it.) I explained this problem today to a tech via the Asus website chat feature and this is how he replied: This should do it: 1. Disconnect all the other drives from the unit leaving only the main boot drive. 2. Go to BIOS and under boot then go to OS type and set it as Windows OS. 3. Disable Launch CSM. 4. Save and Exit the and this should lock it as the boot device. After this you can add back the other drives and try the F8 option and see if it fixes the issue. Yes, I had to do a little investigative digging to find a way to set OS type as Windows OS, cuz the option wasn't exactly where he said it would be, but that's OK. Bottom line is that this worked: Now I can pick the OS I want by using F8 without worry. And the takeaway is that Asus Tech Support came through for me on the first try. Yay! -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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Bill Anderson wrote:
I'll post this even though I'm not convinced anybody who can use the info will ever find it here. It's just that I've received so much good info in this newsgroup over the years (primarily from Paul) that I want to give back if I can. My problem was that I'd installed three versions of Win10 on my new Prime X299-A setup and when I'd choose something other than my default OS using F8, all the boot options (OSs and optical drive) would get scrambled in UEFI BIOS. Once I'd picked an alternative OS using F8, I never could be sure exactly what OS I'd get upon reboot. (I don't use Boot Manager, want never to see it.) I explained this problem today to a tech via the Asus website chat feature and this is how he replied: This should do it: 1. Disconnect all the other drives from the unit leaving only the main boot drive. 2. Go to BIOS and under boot then go to OS type and set it as Windows OS. 3. Disable Launch CSM. 4. Save and Exit the and this should lock it as the boot device. After this you can add back the other drives and try the F8 option and see if it fixes the issue. Yes, I had to do a little investigative digging to find a way to set OS type as Windows OS, cuz the option wasn't exactly where he said it would be, but that's OK. Bottom line is that this worked: Now I can pick the OS I want by using F8 without worry. And the takeaway is that Asus Tech Support came through for me on the first try. Yay! I find powercfg /h off works for me. This prevents both hibernation and Fast Start, so that the BIOS F8 selection process will be an honest one. I can leave CSM enabled. Of course, if you're a big hibernation person, that'll be an issue for you. EasyBCD could be used to add the other OS drives, then leave the BIOS configured to boot the "boss" drive. But that doesn't cover every usage scenario, so won't keep everyone happy. UEFI has a relatively large NVRAM storage facility. Likely using the BIOS Flash chip for the actual storage. It can memorize environment variables. By comparison, traditional BIOS only have the 256 byte CMOS storage. And using CSM mode is an emulation of a traditional BIOS. Intel has declared CSM to be a dying feature, so in a few years, motherboards will be UEFI only. We'll have to wait and see, as to whether the rest of the industry agrees. Paul |
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On 7/4/2018 11:04 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote: I'll post this even though I'm not convinced anybody who can use the info will ever find it here.Â* It's just that I've received so much good info in this newsgroup over the years (primarily from Paul) that I want to give back if I can. My problem was that I'd installed three versions of Win10 on my new Prime X299-A setup and when I'd choose something other than my default OS using F8, all the boot options (OSs and optical drive) would get scrambled in UEFI BIOS. Once I'd picked an alternative OS using F8, I never could be sure exactly what OS I'd get upon reboot. (I don't use Boot Manager, want never to see it.) I explained this problem today to a tech via the Asus website chat feature and this is how he replied: This should do it: 1. Disconnect all the other drives from the unit leaving only the main boot drive. 2. Go to BIOS and under boot then go to OS type and set it as Windows OS. 3. Disable Launch CSM. 4. Save and Exit the and this should lock it as the boot device. After this you can add back the other drives and try the F8 option and see if it fixes the issue. Yes, I had to do a little investigative digging to find a way to set OS type as Windows OS, cuz the option wasn't exactly where he said it would be, but that's OK. Bottom line is that this worked: Now I can pick the OS I want by using F8 without worry. And the takeaway is that Asus Tech Support came through for me on the first try. Yay! I find Â* powercfg /h off works for me. This prevents both hibernation and Fast Start, so that the BIOS F8 selection process will be an honest one. I can leave CSM enabled. Of course, if you're a big hibernation person, that'll be an issue for you. EasyBCD could be used to add the other OS drives, then leave the BIOS configured to boot the "boss" drive. But that doesn't cover every usage scenario, so won't keep everyone happy. UEFI has a relatively large NVRAM storage facility. Likely using the BIOS Flash chip for the actual storage. It can memorize environment variables. By comparison, traditional BIOS only have the 256 byte CMOS storage. And using CSM mode is an emulation of a traditional BIOS. Intel has declared CSM to be a dying feature, so in a few years, motherboards will be UEFI only. We'll have to wait and see, as to whether the rest of the industry agrees. Â*Â* Paul I think I'm about to learn something basic. I don't understand how making an adjustment in Windows can have an effect on which of three Windows installations BIOS chooses to boot from. Isn't the choice made prior to the computer seeing anything in Windows? I do know that when Windows is installed using UEFI, I don't choose an actual HDD/SSD using F8, even though F8 lists them as choices. Instead the choices that work are all labeled "Windows Boot Manager" followed by the physical location of the installation. It's easy enough to identify the drive I want that way. But it's obvious UEFI/BIOS knows it's looking at Windows installations, so maybe it's picking up some Windows data even prior to booting from a particular drive? And if I tried your suggestion, wouldn't I have to make the same entry in all three Windows installations? -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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Bill Anderson wrote:
On 7/4/2018 11:04 PM, Paul wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: I'll post this even though I'm not convinced anybody who can use the info will ever find it here. It's just that I've received so much good info in this newsgroup over the years (primarily from Paul) that I want to give back if I can. My problem was that I'd installed three versions of Win10 on my new Prime X299-A setup and when I'd choose something other than my default OS using F8, all the boot options (OSs and optical drive) would get scrambled in UEFI BIOS. Once I'd picked an alternative OS using F8, I never could be sure exactly what OS I'd get upon reboot. (I don't use Boot Manager, want never to see it.) I explained this problem today to a tech via the Asus website chat feature and this is how he replied: This should do it: 1. Disconnect all the other drives from the unit leaving only the main boot drive. 2. Go to BIOS and under boot then go to OS type and set it as Windows OS. 3. Disable Launch CSM. 4. Save and Exit the and this should lock it as the boot device. After this you can add back the other drives and try the F8 option and see if it fixes the issue. Yes, I had to do a little investigative digging to find a way to set OS type as Windows OS, cuz the option wasn't exactly where he said it would be, but that's OK. Bottom line is that this worked: Now I can pick the OS I want by using F8 without worry. And the takeaway is that Asus Tech Support came through for me on the first try. Yay! I find powercfg /h off works for me. This prevents both hibernation and Fast Start, so that the BIOS F8 selection process will be an honest one. I can leave CSM enabled. Of course, if you're a big hibernation person, that'll be an issue for you. EasyBCD could be used to add the other OS drives, then leave the BIOS configured to boot the "boss" drive. But that doesn't cover every usage scenario, so won't keep everyone happy. UEFI has a relatively large NVRAM storage facility. Likely using the BIOS Flash chip for the actual storage. It can memorize environment variables. By comparison, traditional BIOS only have the 256 byte CMOS storage. And using CSM mode is an emulation of a traditional BIOS. Intel has declared CSM to be a dying feature, so in a few years, motherboards will be UEFI only. We'll have to wait and see, as to whether the rest of the industry agrees. Paul I think I'm about to learn something basic. I don't understand how making an adjustment in Windows can have an effect on which of three Windows installations BIOS chooses to boot from. Isn't the choice made prior to the computer seeing anything in Windows? I do know that when Windows is installed using UEFI, I don't choose an actual HDD/SSD using F8, even though F8 lists them as choices. Instead the choices that work are all labeled "Windows Boot Manager" followed by the physical location of the installation. It's easy enough to identify the drive I want that way. But it's obvious UEFI/BIOS knows it's looking at Windows installations, so maybe it's picking up some Windows data even prior to booting from a particular drive? And if I tried your suggestion, wouldn't I have to make the same entry in all three Windows installations? It's possible our UEFI BIOS are designed differently. Mine never makes a reference to Windows Boot Manager. Maybe it would if I was in pure UEFI mode. The F8 boot menu only lists drives. It also puts a modifier to indicate whether the drive is to be booted CSM or UEFI. A drive can be listed twice for example. I have some OSes on USB sticks that show up this way (because they're hybrids). UEFI WDC2004 CSM WDC2004 And if I want it to start in legacy BIOS CSM mode, I cursor down to the second entry. Some devices are only listed once, some are listed twice, according to what the BIOS thinks it "smells" on the device. For example, a Win10 Hybrid DVD supports both boot modes, so you would expect the optical drive to be listed twice in the F8 menu. If you set the boot order in the BIOS, and *don't* use the F8 boot menu, my presumption is you set the "boss" drive in the BIOS. Then, using EasyBCD, you edit the boot menu of the "boss" drive so that it shows the other two drives and the single OS on those drives. Now, the "boss" drive has three disks mentioned in its BCD (boot menu). Without pressing F8, Win10 comes part-way up, and presents the boot menu, with three items. I cursor to the disk I want, and it restarts and selects that disk with no further fuss. When a Windows disk uses a hibernate function (either Fast Start or Hibernate), the hibernate bit is set in the chipset. When the BIOS comes up, instead of "considering" the boot order, offering the user the usual choices, the BIOS knows the last session hibernated something. So the BIOS ignores the pressing of F8 and Del, and just boots into the drive that was hibernated. You can stop that by killing the power for a bit, then powering up. This is why I use "powercfg /h off", so that all OSes have any hibernation-like functions turned off. This ensures my F8 menu works. It ensures I have control over selecting the next boot device. Since the Asus guy gave you a method that works, I've got no argument with that. It's just another way to do things. While I've done UEFI mode experiments, all my daily driver configs are CSM. It's part of my "Paul hates surprises" policy :-) Paul |
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