FX5200 odd performance problem

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:36:18 +0300
Mario Kadastik wrote:

Hello

Well, before you start screaming that I should have gotten a faster
card I have to tell, that I read about the FX5200 and it seemed to
satisfy all my requirements and I knew that it was a budget card, but
hey MX440 was also a budget card so I didn't expect it to be worse
than MX440 at some aspects.

I think I might have something a bit wrong as my 3dmark03 score is 860

without clocking and with some tuning I cat run at 940. At the same
time I see people having with quite the same configuration scores from
800 - 1500. I can't quite get how the difference is so big? I saw that
some of the high end scores were with AGP 8x so I guessed that this
might be the issue, but I also found a score of 1300 with quite the
same settings and conf I had except he had memory clock at 405MHz and
I have at 333MHz (maximum by asus tweak utility is 360MHz so I can't
quite understand how people get a lot more???)

So I'm a bit disappointed in the performance compared to others. Might

it be a problem with the card or is there a small thing I haven't
noticed yet?

I wouldn't be complaining if the card would be performing as it does
for others as I know it's a budget card. But as it seems to be
underperforming then I do tend to ask for help.

And why I think the card is underperforming: read my previous posts
regarding FX5200 and fog problems.

Just for help here are my specs:

OS: Win XP (without SP1)
driver: have tried: 44.03, 44.67, 44.90 (current and with score 860)
mobo: ASUS A7VK333
mem: kingston PC2700 (768MB)
video: ASUS V9520/Magic/T (FX5200 128MB)
my default gaming reso: 1280x1024x32
default benchmark reso: default (should be 1024x768x32 on 3dmark03)
if you want any more details, then just ask.

There has been much discussion of the FX5200 and performance. It is
fairly well established that FX5200 boards with 64-bit memory perform as
you describe yours performing. You have been told this before and chose
to dismiss the advice instead of acting on it.

Mario

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Hello

Well, before you start screaming that I should have gotten a faster card
I have to tell, that I read about the FX5200 and it seemed to satisfy
all my requirements and I knew that it was a budget card, but hey MX440
was also a budget card so I didn't expect it to be worse than MX440 at
some aspects.

I think I might have something a bit wrong as my 3dmark03 score is 860
without clocking and with some tuning I cat run at 940. At the same time
I see people having with quite the same configuration scores from 800 -
1500. I can't quite get how the difference is so big? I saw that some of
the high end scores were with AGP 8x so I guessed that this might be the
issue, but I also found a score of 1300 with quite the same settings and
conf I had except he had memory clock at 405MHz and I have at 333MHz
(maximum by asus tweak utility is 360MHz so I can't quite understand how
people get a lot more???)

So I'm a bit disappointed in the performance compared to others. Might
it be a problem with the card or is there a small thing I haven't
noticed yet?

I wouldn't be complaining if the card would be performing as it does for
others as I know it's a budget card. But as it seems to be
underperforming then I do tend to ask for help.

And why I think the card is underperforming: read my previous posts
regarding FX5200 and fog problems.

Just for help here are my specs:

OS: Win XP (without SP1)
driver: have tried: 44.03, 44.67, 44.90 (current and with score 860)
mobo: ASUS A7VK333
mem: kingston PC2700 (768MB)
video: ASUS V9520/Magic/T (FX5200 128MB)
my default gaming reso: 1280x1024x32
default benchmark reso: default (should be 1024x768x32 on 3dmark03)
if you want any more details, then just ask.

Mario

What's your CPU? The 5200s are pretty slow compared to the 5200 Ultras but
with the proper speed settings for core and memory you should see some
better scores. I'm also assuming that you have already installed DirectX9a.
You should look for the coolbits patch from guru3d.com. It will allow you
to tweak the CPU and memory clock speeds to double what their default values
are, or more. Remember, only change the 3D settings as the 2D settings
won't show you any performance increase.

Ron


"Mario Kadastik" wrote in message
...
Hello

Well, before you start screaming that I should have gotten a faster card
I have to tell, that I read about the FX5200 and it seemed to satisfy
all my requirements and I knew that it was a budget card, but hey MX440
was also a budget card so I didn't expect it to be worse than MX440 at
some aspects.

I think I might have something a bit wrong as my 3dmark03 score is 860
without clocking and with some tuning I cat run at 940. At the same time
I see people having with quite the same configuration scores from 800 -
1500. I can't quite get how the difference is so big? I saw that some of
the high end scores were with AGP 8x so I guessed that this might be the
issue, but I also found a score of 1300 with quite the same settings and
conf I had except he had memory clock at 405MHz and I have at 333MHz
(maximum by asus tweak utility is 360MHz so I can't quite understand how
people get a lot more???)

So I'm a bit disappointed in the performance compared to others. Might
it be a problem with the card or is there a small thing I haven't
noticed yet?

I wouldn't be complaining if the card would be performing as it does for
others as I know it's a budget card. But as it seems to be
underperforming then I do tend to ask for help.

And why I think the card is underperforming: read my previous posts
regarding FX5200 and fog problems.

Just for help here are my specs:

OS: Win XP (without SP1)
driver: have tried: 44.03, 44.67, 44.90 (current and with score 860)
mobo: ASUS A7VK333
mem: kingston PC2700 (768MB)
video: ASUS V9520/Magic/T (FX5200 128MB)
my default gaming reso: 1280x1024x32
default benchmark reso: default (should be 1024x768x32 on 3dmark03)
if you want any more details, then just ask.

Mario

Hello,

it seems the Asus V9520 you are having is not Magic/T as it seems the
Magic/T is just 64 bit card as I have memory clock at 333 (default) and
you have default 405. And as far as I have seen the clock is the one
thing that seems to differ in conf from those that have 3dmark03 scores
of 1200.

Mario

wrote:
Running the 44.69 drivers on Win98SE I get scores in the mid 1200s with an
ASUS V9520 FX5200. Thats with an XP2000+, 512 PC133 on an ASROCK K7VT2.

The really wierd thing is that I got higher scores, 1300s, with a Duron 1.1
on an old Chaintech 7AIA with the same card %-)

My core is set a 250 and my memory is running at 405, the default settings.

I'm very happy with the card. I don't do much gaming but the ones I have run
great. The video capture quality is superb.

MegaShotZ

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:01:30 GMT, wrote:

Running the 44.69 drivers on Win98SE I get scores in the mid 1200s with an
-ASUS V9520 FX5200. Thats with an XP2000+, 512 PC133 on an ASROCK K7VT2.
- I dont want to break your dream but it well know that the driver your
are using is specily tune to get higher score with 3dmark . this mean that
you are not into high performance but just belive so... try different
driver and play your game with a program that show your fps and see if you
really have some improuvement.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1188167,00.asp


-The really wierd thing is that I got higher scores, 1300s, with a Duron 1.1
-on an old Chaintech 7AIA with the same card %-)
-
-My core is set a 250 and my memory is running at 405, the default settings.
-
-I'm very happy with the card. I don't do much gaming but the ones I have run
-great. The video capture quality is superb.
-
-MegaShotZ

I used the 330 patch which I thought cured the Nvidia "problem" before I ran
the benchmark. Initially I used the 44.03 and got the 1300+ on the old
board. Nothing I do will get me over 1300 on the new board with the 44.69s.

The benchmarks are a bit of fun that really don't reflect the real gaming
world.

The games I want to play run very well indeed. Il2 is positively creamy
smoooooth, Janes WW2 Fighters, Rallysport Challenge and Superbike 2001 are
excellent.

MegaShotz

Well as you wrote this post I wrote mine So you kind of answered my
question regarding the TD point.

Now regardin Ti4200 versus FX5200 I just went by the price as I didn't
want any high performance anyway. Now I'm considering going for the TD
as the price difference versus performance is quite good.

Just for comparison: difference of V9520/Magic versus TD is $26. Now
V9520/magic versus V9280TD is $115. I'd say that I'll go for the V9520TD.

Mario

PS! These are prices here where I live and have to cope with. Just for
comparison the FX5800Ultra is $563 so I can't just go for any better
card at the moment. (If the FX5900 would be for around $200-$250 like
you say around here then I'd take it, but for $560??? would you?)

Darthy wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:04:28 +0000, "J.Clarke"
wrote:


And why I think the card is underperforming: read my previous posts
regarding FX5200 and fog problems.

Just for help here are my specs:

OS: Win XP (without SP1)
driver: have tried: 44.03, 44.67, 44.90 (current and with score 860)
mobo: ASUS A7VK333
mem: kingston PC2700 (768MB)
video: ASUS V9520/Magic/T (FX5200 128MB)
my default gaming reso: 1280x1024x32
default benchmark reso: default (should be 1024x768x32 on 3dmark03)
if you want any more details, then just ask.

There has been much discussion of the FX5200 and performance. It is
fairly well established that FX5200 boards with 64-bit memory perform as
you describe yours performing. You have been told this before and chose
to dismiss the advice instead of acting on it.


Mario


Check out these two ASUS 5200 NON ultra cards

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...gic/T&langs=09

http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/v9520td/overview.htm

They are two completely different cards, with the Magic (first one)
being the one without the cooler fan...


Here is WHAT I don't get with many people...

The 5200 series is a mystery set in many ways (thank you Nvida...
could made the 5100 the 64bit version - duh) with the ole-
bait-and-switch in some degree.

...is that they DONT BUY THE TI4200 which is FASTER!! DUH!

Not even the 5200Ultra (Which typically goes for $120~150) is in the
SAME CLASS!! In UT2003 - 100fps vs 67fps (of course in REAL WORLD,
drop that by 20%)

The ONLY time the 5200Ultra *IS* FASTER than the TI4200 is with FSAA
turned on! Of course, at this time - the 5200U is unplayable with
under 30fps (real world - about 20fps), so what would be the point.

I dont think there is a SINGLE review that says the 5200 series is a
MODERN gaming card. its fine for 2001 and older games. For $100,
you get dual output and some gaming abilities is FINE... pay a few
bucks for real power or an older card.

Also note: the plan 5600 is also SLOWER than the Ti4200, but when all
the Ti4200s are GONE and the 5600-128 is selling for $100~110, it will
be a "fine" card.

Mario Kadastik wrote in message ...
Well as you wrote this post I wrote mine So you kind of answered my
question regarding the TD point.

Now regardin Ti4200 versus FX5200 I just went by the price as I didn't
want any high performance anyway. Now I'm considering going for the TD
as the price difference versus performance is quite good.

Just for comparison: difference of V9520/Magic versus TD is $26. Now
V9520/magic versus V9280TD is $115. I'd say that I'll go for the V9520TD.

Mario

PS! These are prices here where I live and have to cope with. Just for
comparison the FX5800Ultra is $563 so I can't just go for any better
card at the moment. (If the FX5900 would be for around $200-$250 like
you say around here then I'd take it, but for $560??? would you?)

Darthy wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:04:28 +0000, "J.Clarke"
wrote:


And why I think the card is underperforming: read my previous posts
regarding FX5200 and fog problems.

Just for help here are my specs:

OS: Win XP (without SP1)
driver: have tried: 44.03, 44.67, 44.90 (current and with score 860)
mobo: ASUS A7VK333
mem: kingston PC2700 (768MB)
video: ASUS V9520/Magic/T (FX5200 128MB)
my default gaming reso: 1280x1024x32
default benchmark reso: default (should be 1024x768x32 on 3dmark03)
if you want any more details, then just ask.

There has been much discussion of the FX5200 and performance. It is
fairly well established that FX5200 boards with 64-bit memory perform as
you describe yours performing. You have been told this before and chose
to dismiss the advice instead of acting on it.


Mario


Check out these two ASUS 5200 NON ultra cards

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...gic/T&langs=09

http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/v9520td/overview.htm

They are two completely different cards, with the Magic (first one)
being the one without the cooler fan...


Here is WHAT I don't get with many people...

The 5200 series is a mystery set in many ways (thank you Nvida...
could made the 5100 the 64bit version - duh) with the ole-
bait-and-switch in some degree.

...is that they DONT BUY THE TI4200 which is FASTER!! DUH!

Not even the 5200Ultra (Which typically goes for $120~150) is in the
SAME CLASS!! In UT2003 - 100fps vs 67fps (of course in REAL WORLD,
drop that by 20%)

The ONLY time the 5200Ultra *IS* FASTER than the TI4200 is with FSAA
turned on! Of course, at this time - the 5200U is unplayable with
under 30fps (real world - about 20fps), so what would be the point.

I dont think there is a SINGLE review that says the 5200 series is a
MODERN gaming card. its fine for 2001 and older games. For $100,
you get dual output and some gaming abilities is FINE... pay a few
bucks for real power or an older card.

Also note: the plan 5600 is also SLOWER than the Ti4200, but when all
the Ti4200s are GONE and the 5600-128 is selling for $100~110, it will
be a "fine" card.





Hey! I read that someone was running a 7AIA m/b, a rare board. I am
running with it right now. Anyways, My 5200 has 64 bit memory, I am
NOT happy with it at all. It performs as well as my old GF2 MX400.

Do these clocks sound wrong???

Memory: 280
Co 250

I ran a 3DMark2001SE and got a 3333, but I overclocked(?) it up to:

Memory: 343
Co 263

I re-ran the same test and got 3850. I didn't raise the clock any
higher, I was afraid of damaging the only card I have.

any clues?
DLazz

Hei,

Well the default clock for a 64 bit memory FX5200 seems to be co 250,
memory: 333 so you didn't overclock it that much. Try 3dmark03 and you
should get around 840 marks. That's how the card performs. I have
already contacted my reseller to swap it with a 128 bit memory card.

Mario

Hey! I read that someone was running a 7AIA m/b, a rare board. I am
running with it right now. Anyways, My 5200 has 64 bit memory, I am
NOT happy with it at all. It performs as well as my old GF2 MX400.

Do these clocks sound wrong???

Memory: 280
Co 250

I ran a 3DMark2001SE and got a 3333, but I overclocked(?) it up to:

Memory: 343
Co 263

I re-ran the same test and got 3850. I didn't raise the clock any
higher, I was afraid of damaging the only card I have.

any clues?
DLazz

I ran 3dmark2003 (with default clocks) and got a 795. Still crappy.