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Well, I solved it, I think but I'm still really confused by what
happened. Follow this. I've been running Omega drivers going back to my 8500. Then I got this machine and kept doing that. I then did the bit of installing the 8500 to see what it could do in this system. I then noticed I had duplicate tabs in the Settings/Advanced section of the Display settings. Clearly I'd gone a little nuts installing so it was time to uninstall and get a fresh start. I went to Add/Remove Programs and selected Change/Remove on the ATI Display Drivers. Oddly it came up and showed both the Radeon 9800 Pro (and 9800 Pro Secondary) AND the 8500 there. Except for one major difference. Under the 8500 on the columns to the right it noted that this card was AGP and Primary. Under 9800 Pro it said, "N/A" under both of those for both 9800 lines. Now maybe that's just the way it is, but that got me thinking that the system wasn't using the AGP properly with these drivers. So then I figured, what the hell. Why not just install the stock ATI drivers and see what happens. I removed all the Omega drivers, installed the ATI drivers (blech, now I have no Direct3D tab with all the known settings) and rebooted. Everything looked the same and then I ran 3Dmark 2001. The intial screen is the pickup running down a road. With the 9800 it was always starting out around 95fps no matter what I did. Now it was at 204fps. Okay! So then I let it run. End result, 18,168. But now I have to figure out what the hell is killing the Omega drivers because I really want to be able to configure my setup that way. Meanwhile I have to see if I can cancel the order for the motherboard I just ordered! WHY are the Omega drivers failing? |
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Rich Heimlich wrote in message . ..
Guys, Bit of a surprising update. I also happen to have a Radeon 8500 here that the Radeon 9800 Pro replaced. Not sure what this tells me but the results are VERY interesting. I decided to try and eliminate the 9800 Pro as a problem by installing the 8500 and re-installing the drivers. I'm using the Omega drivers but once XP sees you have a different card it will force a re-install even though they're unified drivers. I did all that and the system is up. I then decided to run 3DMark 2001 as it's a DX8 benchark and the 8500 doesn't do much with DX9 as I recall. So I run the benchmark. Recall that the 9800 Pro gave me a score around 9400 and clearly that was well low. Well, the 8500 is giving me a score of 10518. Does that pretty much point the finger at the video card? I'm also wondering about the power supply. It's an Antec True Blue 430 watt supply. I had been a PC Power and Cooling fan forever but switched to this with the new system as it was handy. Thoughts? I'd hate to go about replacing the video card only to find it's the power supply. And, does this test of mine really even tell us anything? It might be a virus, thought it would hard for a virus do descriminate between 8500 and 9800. So the most possible cause is that AGP doesnt work correctly when you put Radeon 9800. If you havent have any crashes with 9800 plugged in then 99% it isnt a power problem. Run Dxdiag and check at the display tab that AGP acceleration is enabled. If not, remove all ATi drivers, reboot, install your motherboard chipset drivers and reboot. Then install ATi drivers, reboot and run dxdiag again and check. Also from the smartgart tab of ati check whether agp is on and at which speed. It might be the horrible case that this combination of motherboard and radeon9800 cant cooperate to AGP bus. |
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Grrr, not entirely out of the woods yet. 3DMark 2003 has me at 2048
which is the same exact score I got before..... Perhaps it is power and when 3DMark pushed the card, the card just isn't getting the power to keep up? |
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And now, 3DMark 2001 is back to its slow mode.... something is REALLY
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Rich Heimlich wrote in message . ..
Guys, Bit of a surprising update. I also happen to have a Radeon 8500 here that the Radeon 9800 Pro replaced. Not sure what this tells me but the results are VERY interesting. I decided to try and eliminate the 9800 Pro as a problem by installing the 8500 and re-installing the drivers. I'm using the Omega drivers but once XP sees you have a different card it will force a re-install even though they're unified drivers. I did all that and the system is up. I then decided to run 3DMark 2001 as it's a DX8 benchark and the 8500 doesn't do much with DX9 as I recall. So I run the benchmark. Recall that the 9800 Pro gave me a score around 9400 and clearly that was well low. Well, the 8500 is giving me a score of 10518. Does that pretty much point the finger at the video card? I'm also wondering about the power supply. It's an Antec True Blue 430 watt supply. I had been a PC Power and Cooling fan forever but switched to this with the new system as it was handy. Thoughts? I'd hate to go about replacing the video card only to find it's the power supply. And, does this test of mine really even tell us anything? And do not use omega drivers, they might have compatibility problems with your motherboard and radeon9800. |
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Rich,
When in the BIOS, have you tried the Control and F1 buttons, to enter the performance settings. Page 37 in my manual. cheers Morph "Rich Heimlich" wrote in message ... Guys, I've about had it with my choice in buying this motherboard. Either it stinks (which I don't think), is defective (possible) or I've goofed something. It has never felt any faster than my Athlon XP 1800+ system with 512k RAM and a Radeon 8500. I now have this board with a Radeon 9800 Pro and 1GB of Kingston RAM (I forgot the speed but it was fast when I ordered it 6 months ago, and was model KVM400 or something like that.) The processor is a retail P4 2.8GHz. Anyway, things have felt sluggish so I just ran 3DMark 2001 and 3DMark 2003 and the results are horrible for this setup. They were 9478 and 2048 respectively. Something is NOT right and I've been looking for months to find the issue. What could cause such poor performance? I should be seeing double those numbers at least, especially on the 2003 3DMark. I'm to a point where if I don't find the solution quickly, as in today, I'm going to buy a new Socket 478 motherboard and just move everything over to it. The only hardware of concern is the Kingston RAM as on the back of it there's a sticker referring to it as "Value RAM" which doesn't make me feel very confident about it. If anyone thinks this is the problem or possibly the problem and the actual model number would help, I'll go into the system to get it for verification. ANY help would be appreciated. At this point I'm just pulling my hair out. The BIOS seems to be set perfectly, XP has been re-installed several times with performance checked right after installs... Nothing is really cutting through this problem. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:25:42 +0930, "Morph"
wrote: When in the BIOS, have you tried the Control and F1 buttons, to enter the performance settings. Page 37 in my manual. I use CTRL-F1 all the time, though using "Top Performance" locks up the system and this is the first motherboard I've had since the 386 days that requires you to pull the battery to clear the CMOS. |
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Rich Heimlich wrote in message . ..
Grrr, not entirely out of the woods yet. 3DMark 2003 has me at 2048 which is the same exact score I got before..... Perhaps it is power and when 3DMark pushed the card, the card just isn't getting the power to keep up? It is obvious that when you run 3dmark 2003 agp bus was disabled. Reenable agp bus using powerstrip(recommended from www.entechtaiwan.com) or dxdiag. |
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