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Old June 26th 14, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
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Per John Doe:
I would bet that the percentage of bad cops roughly parallels the
percentage of bad people.


I would agree - with emphasis on "roughly".

I'm guessing police work attracts a certain percentage of unsuitable
people just as fire fighting attracts pyromaniacs and child care
attracts pedophiles.

I tend to be a little suspicious when I hear about a guy who "always
wanted to be a cop".

Possibly an overreaction, but it's been in my mind ever since I read
about a NYC cop who became Policeman Of The Year or somesuch. The
question was "Why did you become a police officer?" and the answer was
"I was out of work and they were hiring."

OTOH, there's Serpico who, by all accounts, always wanted to be cop and
turned out to be an exceptional one.


My son will be entering the NYPD Academy next month. He didn't alwyas want
to be a cop but looked into it and decided that it interested him as a good
career. I honestly wonder how he will fare as he is not one to put up with
police abuse of citizens rights and Lord knows what happens to cops who
expose the wrongdoing of other cops.



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Old June 26th 14, 09:32 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:

"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:
John Doe wrote:

In a 9-0 decision, the winner is... Privacy!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...2014.html?_r=1


There is a difference between what they are permitted to do
and what they actually do. The "climate" of law enforcement
has changed. Citizens are viewed as suspicious and we are
treated that way. The police are supposed to protect and
serve the public, they do neither. The courts have ruled that
they are not obligated to protect us.


Citations please...


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0


Because the title of the article is "Police Do Not Have a
Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone", you believe that it's
true? In the ruling, where does it say that? In the article,
according to a prior ruling "social service workers [do not have
the constitutional duty] to protect a young boy from a beating by
his father". And apparently that precedent was upheld.

My interest is the judicial, not your personal problems with the
police. You can find lots of fellow whiners on YouTube if you want
to continue whining about police mistreatment. It's got to be the
most whined about subject on the Internet.
  #13  
Old June 26th 14, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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"PAS" wrote:

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote
Per John Doe:


I would bet that the percentage of bad cops roughly parallels
the percentage of bad people.


I would agree - with emphasis on "roughly".

I'm guessing police work attracts a certain percentage of
unsuitable people just as fire fighting attracts pyromaniacs
and child care attracts pedophiles.

I tend to be a little suspicious when I hear about a guy who
"always wanted to be a cop".

Possibly an overreaction, but it's been in my mind ever since I
read about a NYC cop who became Policeman Of The Year or
somesuch. The question was "Why did you become a police
officer?" and the answer was "I was out of work and they were
hiring."

OTOH, there's Serpico who, by all accounts, always wanted to be
cop and turned out to be an exceptional one.


My son will be entering the NYPD Academy next month. He didn't
alwyas want to be a cop but looked into it and decided that it
interested him as a good career. I honestly wonder how he will
fare as he is not one to put up with police abuse of citizens
rights and Lord knows what happens to cops who expose the
wrongdoing of other cops.


Who says your son knows what's right and wrong? You're talking
about extremely subjective judgments.

All he has to do is believe that cops should get involved in every
little part of everybody's lives. Because in fact that's where our
country is headed. Government knows best what's good for everybody
even in their most private relationships. For example... If your
son feels good about stopping a father from disciplining its
child, and instead he wants to exercise his own judgment about
what's right for the child, he will fit in to the upcoming police
force perfectly.

Most police officers know better than to get involved in other
people's family matters. That's why family bashing politicians
have enacted laws that force police officers to arrest somebody in
every domestic violence call. Most police officers don't feel good
about doing that. If your son does, he'll do great, that's exactly
what they're looking for. And I see no end in sight to that trend.
  #14  
Old June 26th 14, 09:55 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:

....

By the way... You are a girl, aren't you?
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Old June 27th 14, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
(PeteCresswell)
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

Per PAS:
...and Lord knows what happens to cops who
expose the wrongdoing of other cops.


My takeaway from reading the Wambaugh novels is the police do not *hire*
misanthropes.

Instead, police work tends to turn normal people into same.

We have/have had two police-type people in our family: a son-in-law, who
is still a cop, and my late brother who was a CID agent in 'Nam and a
private investigator while working his way through college.

In both I see/have seen a significantly dimmer view of human nature than
most other people I know have.
--
Pete Cresswell
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Old June 27th 14, 03:41 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.android,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

Per John Doe:
Some strange troll...


It was a tongue-in-cheek comment on the misspelling of "Steal".
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  #17  
Old June 27th 14, 01:58 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:

"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:
John Doe wrote:

In a 9-0 decision, the winner is... Privacy!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...2014.html?_r=1

There is a difference between what they are permitted to do
and what they actually do. The "climate" of law enforcement
has changed. Citizens are viewed as suspicious and we are
treated that way. The police are supposed to protect and
serve the public, they do neither. The courts have ruled that
they are not obligated to protect us.

Citations please...


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0


Because the title of the article is "Police Do Not Have a
Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone", you believe that it's
true? In the ruling, where does it say that? In the article,
according to a prior ruling "social service workers [do not have
the constitutional duty] to protect a young boy from a beating by
his father". And apparently that precedent was upheld.

My interest is the judicial, not your personal problems with the
police. You can find lots of fellow whiners on YouTube if you want
to continue whining about police mistreatment. It's got to be the
most whined about subject on the Internet.


I made a statement and you asked for a citation of it. What I stated was
true yet you want to argue the point, just as I knew you would. There's no
point in discussing anything further with you.


  #18  
Old June 27th 14, 02:06 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
PAS
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
news
Per PAS:
...and Lord knows what happens to cops who
expose the wrongdoing of other cops.


My takeaway from reading the Wambaugh novels is the police do not *hire*
misanthropes.


My neighbor is an nternal Affairs officer with the NYPD. He has some
insight I don't have due to his experience. All kinds of people make it
though the the hiring process and the NYPD is probably the toughest in the
nation. Idiots and bullies still make it through. While being on the job
certainly can change a person due to their having to deal with miserable
excuses for humans, others go into the job with a poor attitude. I recall
two guys I went to high school with. I nver had trouble with them but they
were two of the biggest bullies in the school. They became cops. One of
them became the subject of a huge investigation by the Mollen Commission.


Instead, police work tends to turn normal people into same.

We have/have had two police-type people in our family: a son-in-law, who
is still a cop, and my late brother who was a CID agent in 'Nam and a
private investigator while working his way through college.

In both I see/have seen a significantly dimmer view of human nature than
most other people I know have.
--
Pete Cresswell



  #19  
Old June 28th 14, 09:54 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:

"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:
"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:
John Doe wrote:

In a 9-0 decision, the winner is... Privacy!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...2014.html?_r=1

There is a difference between what they are permitted to do
and what they actually do. The "climate" of law enforcement
has changed. Citizens are viewed as suspicious and we are
treated that way. The police are supposed to protect and
serve the public, they do neither. The courts have ruled that
they are not obligated to protect us.

Citations please...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0


Because the title of the article is "Police Do Not Have a
Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone", you believe that it's
true? In the ruling, where does it say that? In the article,
according to a prior ruling "social service workers [do not have
the constitutional duty] to protect a young boy from a beating by
his father". And apparently that precedent was upheld.

My interest is the judicial, not your personal problems with the
police. You can find lots of fellow whiners on YouTube if you want
to continue whining about police mistreatment. It's got to be the
most whined about subject on the Internet.


I made a statement and you asked for a citation of it.


Still waiting...

What I stated was true


According to an article title, not a court ruling.

yet you want to argue the point, just as I knew you would.


When you spread BS, expect to be argued with.

There's no point in discussing anything further with you.


You're a girl, right? Many females whine about police brutality
except when it comes to the police beating up on their male
counterparts...










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Old June 28th 14, 10:00 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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"One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police
force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the
Mollen Commission"

That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served".

Backtracking and babbling...

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"(PeteCresswell)" x y.Invalid wrote in message
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Per PAS:
...and Lord knows what happens to cops who
expose the wrongdoing of other cops.


My takeaway from reading the Wambaugh novels is the police do not *hire*
misanthropes.


My neighbor is an nternal Affairs officer with the NYPD. He has some
insight I don't have due to his experience. All kinds of people make it
though the the hiring process and the NYPD is probably the toughest in the
nation. Idiots and bullies still make it through. While being on the job
certainly can change a person due to their having to deal with miserable
excuses for humans, others go into the job with a poor attitude. I recall
two guys I went to high school with. I nver had trouble with them but they
were two of the biggest bullies in the school. They became cops. One of
them became the subject of a huge investigation by the Mollen Commission.


Instead, police work tends to turn normal people into same.

We have/have had two police-type people in our family: a son-in-law, who
is still a cop, and my late brother who was a CID agent in 'Nam and a
private investigator while working his way through college.

In both I see/have seen a significantly dimmer view of human nature than
most other people I know have.
--
Pete Cresswell





 




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