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Unzar Jones wrote:
"SLIisBACK" wrote in message Nvidia steps up to the plate today with the re-introduction of the SLI concept on the GeForce 6800 series What cpu(s) can keep up with it? Should the electrician connect it straight to Edison's sub- station or will any gas powered generator do? What will this over the top money pit be worth a year after purchase? I guess I'll pass. Maybe you're too young, but back when the V2's came out nearly the same things were said about it. Overpriced, slot hogging, hot *******s. But the legacy of the V2 SLI still lives to this day. I can remember when even the 2nd generation of AGP cards came out (TNT2, various Rage cards, S3, etc), people were very hesitant to give up the raw power of 2 V2 cards. |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:31:35 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: Folk wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:46:26 GMT, (Redbrick) wrote: snip ______________________________________________ ______________________________ ___ Nvidia SLI, SLI's back with a vengeance Jun 28, 2004, 07:30 AM snip I never did like the SLI configuration...took up two PCI slots and kept you from installing anything else....all for what??? ...1024x768?? You've got to be kidding??? Why not make a long PCI card with multiple GPU daughter card snap-on like a ram extender. That would save us the few and precious PCI-E slots. So I guess with so many extra GPU cards...they'll all need two dedicated molex connectors? I think I'll pass on that... Redbrick..who Loves his CLK What are you saving those PCI slots for anyway? The only thing currently occupying my five PCI slots is a sound card. In these days of onboard NIC's, onboard RAID, etc., etc., there is less of a need for PCI slots. It's not a "PCI slot", it's a "PCI _Express_" slot. There's a difference. Since a PCI Express video card uses a completely different design (16X) and form factor than a 'regular' PCI Express slot, what makes you think that having two video slots will block a 'regular' slot? |
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Folk wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:31:35 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: Folk wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 05:46:26 GMT, (Redbrick) wrote: snip _____________________________________________ _______________________________ ___ Nvidia SLI, SLI's back with a vengeance Jun 28, 2004, 07:30 AM snip I never did like the SLI configuration...took up two PCI slots and kept you from installing anything else....all for what??? ...1024x768?? You've got to be kidding??? Why not make a long PCI card with multiple GPU daughter card snap-on like a ram extender. That would save us the few and precious PCI-E slots. So I guess with so many extra GPU cards...they'll all need two dedicated molex connectors? I think I'll pass on that... Redbrick..who Loves his CLK What are you saving those PCI slots for anyway? The only thing currently occupying my five PCI slots is a sound card. In these days of onboard NIC's, onboard RAID, etc., etc., there is less of a need for PCI slots. It's not a "PCI slot", it's a "PCI _Express_" slot. There's a difference. Since a PCI Express video card uses a completely different design (16X) and form factor than a 'regular' PCI Express slot, what makes you think that having two video slots will block a 'regular' slot? No, a PCI Express video card does _not_ use "a completely different design and form factor than a 'regular' PCI Express slot". Any PCI Express board is _supposed_ to work in any PCI Express slot with the same number of lines or higher. So a PCI Express 1X board is supposed to plug into that 16x slot and work fine. Further, Alienware says that they use all the available PCI Express lanes on the Intel 7525 chipset in their dual processor design. The 7525 has 24 PCI Express lines arranged as 1 16x and 1 8x that can be split into 2 4x. So they don't even have a full 16x port for the second video board, let alone any lanes left over for other devices. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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This is actually a very good technique. Dividing the screen into two
load-balanced halves means there's no redundant texture memory usage like 3dfx's scanline interleaving, and no mouse lag like ATi's alternate-frame rendering. Wicked3D had something similar a couple of years ago, but the immature drivers back then produced a black line between the two image halves. The real card to watch for is the 6800GT, which may actually be affordable in SLI config. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "SLIisBACK" wrote in message ... http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11206.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11208.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11207.jpg http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1728/ |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:50:21 GMT, "First of One"
wrote: This is actually a very good technique. Dividing the screen into two load-balanced halves means there's no redundant texture memory usage like 3dfx's scanline interleaving, and no mouse lag like ATi's alternate-frame rendering. Wicked3D had something similar a couple of years ago, but the immature drivers back then produced a black line between the two image halves. The real card to watch for is the 6800GT, which may actually be affordable in SLI config. Agreed !! Once you have a PCI-Express chip-set that will support 2 or more PCI-express sockets. The nforce4 chip-set, still in design at nVidia, is very likely to do just that. And may for the first time make me thinkvery seriously about leaving the Intel camp. Athlon 64 FX53 939-pin-- unlocked overclock, plus nForce4, plus dual 6800GT PCI-express in SLI-configuration; the thought makes me really drool, ( and my pocket-book wilt ). As far as the enthusiast community goes, Intel has really lost their way in the past year. Besides power-hungry Prescott, the latest Intel miss-step is to DELIBERATELY build-in a 10% overclock limit into the 915/925 chip-sets. Intel has again become arrogant - they periodically do that until the threat of real competition beats them over the head. John Lewis -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "SLIisBACK" wrote in message ... http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11206.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11208.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11207.jpg http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1728/ |
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"SLIisBACK" wrote in message ... http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11206.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11208.jpg http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/ar...arge/11207.jpg http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1728/ __________________________________________________ __________________________ ___ Nvidia SLI, SLI's back with a vengeance Jun 28, 2004, 07:30 AM Smells like desperation to me. Seems like they can't keep up ATI's technology so they're going for the brute force approach. Ironically, NVidia criticized 3dfx for the same thing back in the late nineties. |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:16:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: Since a PCI Express video card uses a completely different design (16X) and form factor than a 'regular' PCI Express slot, what makes you think that having two video slots will block a 'regular' slot? No, a PCI Express video card does _not_ use "a completely different design and form factor than a 'regular' PCI Express slot". Any PCI Express board is _supposed_ to work in any PCI Express slot with the same number of lines or higher. So a PCI Express 1X board is supposed to plug into that 16x slot and work fine. Further, Alienware says that they use all the available PCI Express lanes on the Intel 7525 chipset in their dual processor design. The 7525 has 24 PCI Express lines arranged as 1 16x and 1 8x that can be split into 2 4x. So they don't even have a full 16x port for the second video board, let alone any lanes left over for other devices. OK, I've been wrong before, but look he http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherb...erwood-09.html That shows the difference between a 1X and a 16X PCI slot. Now most mobos (discounting exotic designs like Alienware) are going to come with a single 16X and one or more 1X slots. You're saying that a 1X card will fit in a 16X slot, and that may be true, but I doubt anyone will actually do that. I haven't seen any board layouts yet, but it's certainly possible that a board with two 16X slots to accommodate an SLI setup would have the 1X slots positioned far enough away from the dual 16X slots to make the concept of "wasting a slot" disappear. Wouldn't that make sense to you too? |
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Smells like desperation to me. Seems like they can't keep up ATI's technology so they're going for the brute force approach. Ironically, NVidia criticized 3dfx for the same thing back in the late nineties. Desperation or not, I do not see anything wrong with this. If they have this leverage, why not use it? ATi will find some technology or else try to trail as close it can until they come up with something. This the cruel and brutal of business. Technology will advance as rival find new way to be better than the other. CapFusion,... |
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"Folk" wrote in message ... OK, I've been wrong before, but look he http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherb...erwood-09.html That shows the difference between a 1X and a 16X PCI slot. Now most mobos (discounting exotic designs like Alienware) are going to come with a single 16X and one or more 1X slots. You're saying that a 1X card will fit in a 16X slot, and that may be true, but I doubt anyone will actually do that. I haven't seen any board layouts yet, but it's certainly possible that a board with two 16X slots to accommodate an SLI setup would have the 1X slots positioned far enough away from the dual 16X slots to make the concept of "wasting a slot" disappear. Wouldn't that make sense to you too? Both card will need both 16X PCI-E slot and with bridge - http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...628/index.html CapFusion,... |
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