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John Carmack's official comments on NV40 (GeForce 6800 family)



 
 
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Old April 16th 04, 06:56 AM
zmike6
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:05:56 GMT, "teqguy" wrote:

ec wrote:


"Destroy" wrote in message
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And how much did nVidia pay Activison/id for the Doom 3 deal?
I've

heard
4-5 million. Gwarsch! Carmack has sold out to nVidia!! He's deh

devil!!

He also seems to be in bed with Intel. His engines always run
better on nonAMD systems.


That's because AMD sucks ass.






I'll take SSE2 over 3DNOW! any day....


I mean, come on people... give it up... 3dNow's optimizations are now
INCLUDED on most GPU's.


3dNow only aided older cards that didn't have the bandwidth to match
the processor.


Now, the GPU's are outperforming the CPU, so it's entirely unnecessary.



AMD should definitely update this instruction set... if they did they'd
be god.

Imagine a processor with Pixel Shader 3.0, bump mapping, vertex
shading... drool



Um, you do know the Athlon64 supports SSE2, right?

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Old April 16th 04, 07:38 AM
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Yeah, that Athlon64's really a dog, compared to the highly successful
and desirable Prescwatt, and the easily-obtainable Emergency
^H^H^H^H^H^H^ Extreme Edition. It's not like most benchmarks show
the Athlon64 to have better performance *and* lower power
consumption/heat issues. And, who would want a CPU that already
supports the next generation of operating systems, when you could get
an Intel 32-bit-only CPU?



A lot of good the 64 bit CPU does,there are no 64 bit applications that will
work with it. Everything it does is 32 bit. Unless you count bench
marks............yea thats it build a computer to run bench marks.
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Old April 16th 04, 09:46 AM
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Carmack announced:
"As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to
development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is
my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment
programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the
extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and
technical director of id Software


When Carmack speaketh, the world stands still and the games will stutter.
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Old April 16th 04, 09:49 AM
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He also seems to be in bed with Intel. His engines always run better on
nonAMD systems.


Because SSE is mysteriously disabled in Q3 engined games when run on
AMD CPU's.


Exactly. To be fair, the SSE-enabled AthlonXP did not exist when Q3 was
first programmed, and you can't blame Carmack for not wishing to revisit old
code.

There's a good chance he used a no doubt convenient Intel compiler
instruction that tests for the presence of an Intel cpu, rather than
actually test for SSE itself.

rms


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Old April 16th 04, 12:06 PM
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"John Lewis" wrote in message
So, better start saving now for the 6800U ??? And power-supply.
Might as well just get a new case and power supply of the style
with the fan (hopefully quiet) in the middle of the cover and
close to the 6800U.........

John Lewis


Before the R420 previews are even out? Nope.

John


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Old April 16th 04, 04:39 PM
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:05:56 +0000, teqguy wrote:




I'll take SSE2 over 3DNOW! any day....



SSE2 is 2nd generation SIMD instructions, 3DNow is first generation
and were the first FP SIMD instructions ever used on a CPU. You're
comparing old and new.

Besides, all AMD64 CPUs support SSE2 anyway.

K
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Old April 16th 04, 04:52 PM
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"John Lewis" wrote in message
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From the nVidia news release:-


"As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to
development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is
my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment
programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the
extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and
technical director of id Software
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------

Here is another John Carmack quote:

"The G-Force 3 is going to be THE card to run our next game, Doom3!"


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Old April 16th 04, 05:35 PM
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:52:07 -0400, "Zimmy" wrote:

||"John Lewis" wrote in message
...
|| From the nVidia news release:-
||
|| "As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to
|| development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is
|| my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment
|| programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the
|| extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and
|| technical director of id Software
|| --------------------------------------------------------------------------
||-----------------------------
||
||Here is another John Carmack quote:
||
||"The G-Force 3 is going to be THE card to run our next game, Doom3!"
||

I don't care what Carmack or Sweeny say about video cards folks...
they are in bed together.. so its invalid. I'll let the specs and head
to head reviews make my decisions for me thank you. Use your heads
guys..

Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP
(http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is
now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT
is a joke. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the
card a bit. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown
this next generation.

Pluvious
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Old April 16th 04, 08:36 PM
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"Pluvious" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:52:07 -0400, "Zimmy" wrote:

||"John Lewis" wrote in message
...
|| From the nVidia news release:-
||
|| "As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to
|| development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is
|| my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment
|| programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the
|| extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and
|| technical director of id Software

|| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
||-----------------------------
||
||Here is another John Carmack quote:
||
||"The G-Force 3 is going to be THE card to run our next game, Doom3!"
||

I don't care what Carmack or Sweeny say about video cards folks...
they are in bed together.. so its invalid. I'll let the specs and head
to head reviews make my decisions for me thank you. Use your heads
guys..

Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP
(http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is
now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT
is a joke. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the
card a bit. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown
this next generation.

Pluvious


Yes, but note how HardOCP test - with different settings for different cards
for many of the tests.

Look here for a case of a doubling of performance:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2023&p=13

--
Derek


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Old April 16th 04, 11:04 PM
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:06:11 GMT, "John Reynolds"
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"John Lewis" wrote in message
So, better start saving now for the 6800U ??? And power-supply.
Might as well just get a new case and power supply of the style
with the fan (hopefully quiet) in the middle of the cover and
close to the 6800U.........

John Lewis


Before the R420 previews are even out? Nope.


Ah, and at your age, I was rather hoping that a residual spark of true
adventure still existed......

As for me, when I can afford it, the 6800U, regardless of the X800 ---
not only for the graphics power, but the very powerful VPU and the
strong likelihood that it will perform excellently with both current
and my classic-legacy software, just as my current FX5900/56.72 does.
Excluding Glide games, of course. My second machine has a V5 5500
with Win Me just for that purpose.

John Lewis


John



 




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