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Phil Weldon wrote:
The point is not so much to avoid POSTING the previous messages but to avoid forcing the previous material on every reader. Chopping up a post is even worse - it is more difficult to tell if there is any new material, so the reader does not even have the CHOICE of scrolling past. Times change; once the internet was siphoned through a 2400 bits/second straw and bandwidth was at a premium; it made sense to force the user to take on a few tasks to speed communitcation. Now bandwidth is much greater, and is much cheaper than the user's time, so the method of posting should accomodate the user, not the hardware or software. After all, don't you believe computers and software should be designed for the user and not for the computer engineer? Phil Weldon, The point is that people logically expect, and read, 'from statement to reply' so putting the reply above what's replied to is out of sequence. If the original is unnecessary to the reply then it can, and should, be snipped for the sake of clarity. If it's useful for context then it should be in the proper logical order: I.E. before the reply. Complex questions and replies are more logical if the answer is inserted at the point where the specific question being replied to took place. To wit: No Does this flow properly? 3 How many geese in a gaggle? What is the first positive prime number? What is a baker's dozen? |
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How about accoustic cooling? This method likey has more promise for CPU
cooling than what we have loosely been calling 'water cooling' when what we are really doing is using a fluid (water) to transport heat by forced convection from a CPU to a radiator and fan. A suitable heatpipe and convective air heat transport is much simpler that using a water loop - unfortunately these heat pipes are less common and not easy (or safe) to tinker with. Or direct fluid impingment on the silicon die? Or fluid channels and pumps etched into the silicon die? Or semiconductors with a better performance than doped tellurium/bismuth? Phil Weldon, "Thomas Andersson" wrote in message ... .. .. .. Exactly, watercooling has passed the fad phase and is maturing, finding new uses and becoming available to a bigger public.... .. .. .. |
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best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes.
Neil "Thomas Andersson" wrote in message ... David Maynard wrote: Watercooling? Watercooling is passe' and the latest wizmo gizmo is refigeration cooling. I kid you not. Refrigeration cooling has been around for quite a while but, nevertheless, I'm not sure he intended the group's focus to be 'latest fad' cooling anyway. Exactly, watercooling ahve passed the fad phase and is maturing, finding new uses and becoming available to a bigger public. Afordable, easy to use, watercooling solutions are now becoming available to the greater mass for a faster or a quieter computer. I've gotten some nice reponses in private emails as well as promises of supporta dn promotion of the newsgroup IF created. But as Phil pointed out there's the question of how viable a new separate newsgroup is volumevise. I haven't seen much open support (ok, not resistance either) from the newsgroups it relates to yet so I'm holding my desission for now as to wether I should go through with the ng creation. So, to you who read this and frequent these newsgroups, would YOU read and post to a dedicated watercooling newsgroup, would you be against a split for any reason? Best Wishes Thomas |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
Exactly, watercooling has passed the fad phase and is maturing, finding new uses and becoming available to a bigger public.... How about accoustic cooling? This method likey has more promise for CPU cooling than what we have loosely been calling 'water cooling' when what we are really doing is using a fluid (water) to transport heat by forced convection from a CPU to a radiator and fan. A suitable heatpipe and convective air heat transport is much simpler that using a water loop - unfortunately these heat pipes are less common and not easy (or safe) to tinker with. Or direct fluid impingment on the silicon die? Or fluid channels and pumps etched into the silicon die? Or semiconductors with a better performance than doped tellurium/bismuth? Eh? What does these have to do with the proposed newsgroup? What are you trying to say? |
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Neil wrote:
best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes. I kinda agree with the people in alt.config about that, why start it up if it will be empty. Why cause a split and then have the group die (not that I think it will). Before I go forth and actually create it I want to hear more from the people that will (hopefully) actually use it... Best Wishes Thomas |
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hi
i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless.... we(you) need a ng + a working forum somewhere.... coco "Thomas Andersson" skrev i meddelandet ... Neil wrote: best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes. I kinda agree with the people in alt.config about that, why start it up if it will be empty. Why cause a split and then have the group die (not that I think it will). Before I go forth and actually create it I want to hear more from the people that will (hopefully) actually use it... Best Wishes Thomas |
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'CoCo' wrote "...i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless.... we(you) need
a ng+ a working forum somewhere..." Now that is a comment on point - a moderated newsgroup would be useful, and likely grow, if only because noise is reduced. But then who decides what is signal and what qualifies as noise? Phil Weldon, "CoCo" wrote in message ... hi i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless.... we(you) need a ng + a working forum somewhere.... coco |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
How about the most common case; where the user reads the posts as a batch? I hope the attention span is long enough in this newsgroup to remember the discussion from one post to another - think of a thread as an analog of a conversation rather than as an exchange of post office mail. I don't think you can, or should, count on that. But if you are, then why copy the original text in the reply? But if you're including it then having it making logical sense applies again. Kinda reminds me of an FDA calibration requirements lecture I attended. The point was made that all measuring devices needed a calibration schedule. The question would get raised "but do I need to calibrate things that aren't really a part of the process?" Reply was "then why do you have it?" "well, it's nice to sometimes look at insert measurement" but it's not really important." "Then take it out if it's not important." "But I like to see it." "Then you're obviously using it and should calibrate it." I.E. If it's there then it should work but if you're not going to make it work then take it out. The amusing aspect to the lecture was as soon as one questioner would finally accept that their particular 'unimportant' device needed calibration another hand would go up from someone else wondering if THEIR particular 'unimportant' device also needed calibration. Some folks apparently had a bit of trouble grasping it at the 'conceptual' level. hehe Though I do agree that, if the ideas have no logical flow, then the conversation needs a lot of formating help. As for snipping, that can result in a distortion of the original statement - people tend to edit for brevity in the light of their preconceptions or misreadings. I'd rather go back to the full original post. Right, especially if it's a 'debate'. Phil Weldon, "David Maynard" wrote in message ... . . . The point is that people logically expect, and read, 'from statement to reply' so putting the reply above what's replied to is out of sequence. If the original is unnecessary to the reply then it can, and should, be snipped for the sake of clarity. If it's useful for context then it should be in the proper logical order: I.E. before the reply. Complex questions and replies are more logical if the answer is inserted at the point where the specific question being replied to took place. To wit: No Does this flow properly? 3 How many geese in a gaggle? What is the first positive prime number? What is a baker's dozen? |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
Since usage is a problem, why not consider broader coverage, and include all cooling methods other than heatsink/fan? Perhaps the reason you don't understand what my post has to do with the proposed newsgroup is that you concatenated part of your post with my post, placing it ahead of my reply, then bottom-posted. He put the post in proper time sequence and quoted it completely and accurately. It could not have been better done. The reason he asked is because his mindset is on his proposed topic of "water cooling" and your comments on alternate methods didn't, to him, seem to apply to THAT topic. Your point about expanding the scope is, of course, reasonable but the cheap shot about posting methodology isn't worthy of your normally logical style. Phil Weldon, "Thomas Andersson" wrote in message ... . . . Eh? What does these have to do with the proposed newsgroup? What are you trying to say? |
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