9600SE vs Geforce4 Ti4200

Which card is better, the Sapphire Radeon 9600SE or the Geforce Ti4200, both
with 128MB ramm?

regards

"mark" wrote in message
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Which card is better, the Sapphire Radeon 9600SE or the Geforce Ti4200,
both
with 128MB ramm?

regards

Although a DX9 card, the 9600SE has 64bit memory paths, and pretty low
200Mhz memory speed to boot. Pretty low throughput. A Ti4200 is comparable
to an 8500LE.....128bit memory paths 250Mhz core, 250Mhz memory. A decent
performer, but limited to DX8.1.....but this isn't a big deal. I'm
underwhelmed with the visual differences that come with DX9. Just upgraded
from a 128Mb Radeon 8500 to a 9800 Pro, and the speed difference is huge,
but visually in the 3 or 4 DX9 titles I have there's virtually no
difference.

Augustus wrote:

A Ti4200 is comparable to an 8500LE.....128bit memory paths 250Mhz core,
250Mhz
memory. A decent performer, but limited to DX8.1.....

Did you have any Ti4200 card? ROTFL
No? So it would be better if you stayed STFU.

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Er, no, a GF3 is comparable to an 8500LE. A GF4 Ti4200 is significantly
faster (on the order of 40%).

Don't worry about DX9 features of the 9600SE. Both the Ti4200 and 9600SE
will be quite slow in desirable DX9 games anyway.

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"Augustus" wrote in message
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Although a DX9 card, the 9600SE has 64bit memory paths, and pretty low
200Mhz memory speed to boot. Pretty low throughput. A Ti4200 is comparable
to an 8500LE.....128bit memory paths 250Mhz core, 250Mhz memory. A
decent
performer, but limited to DX8.1.....but this isn't a big deal. I'm
underwhelmed with the visual differences that come with DX9. Just upgraded
from a 128Mb Radeon 8500 to a 9800 Pro, and the speed difference is huge,
but visually in the 3 or 4 DX9 titles I have there's virtually no
difference.

"maniac" wrote in message
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Augustus wrote:

A Ti4200 is comparable to an 8500LE.....128bit memory paths 250Mhz
core,
250Mhz
memory. A decent performer, but limited to DX8.1.....

Did you have any Ti4200 card? ROTFL
No? So it would be better if you stayed STFU.


And you can STFU as well. An 8500LE is within 10% of the performance of a
Ti4200.

check this link for an accurate (and less argumentative
answer)http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...229/index.html

"mark" wrote in message
...
Which card is better, the Sapphire Radeon 9600SE or the Geforce Ti4200,
both
with 128MB ramm?

regards

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:25:08 GMT, "Augustus"
wrote:


"maniac" wrote in message
...
Augustus wrote:

A Ti4200 is comparable to an 8500LE.....128bit memory paths 250Mhz
core,
250Mhz
memory. A decent performer, but limited to DX8.1.....

Did you have any Ti4200 card? ROTFL
No? So it would be better if you stayed STFU.


And you can STFU as well. An 8500LE is within 10% of the performance of a
Ti4200.

Er... uh no... A full blown 8500 is still about 25% slower than the
Ti4200. And when the 8500 was NEW, it lost out to the GF3 series of
cards due to driver issues which were not resolved until ATI got their
act togther with the 9700Pro.

http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...ournament_2003

55fps (4200) vs 38fps (8500)... a bit of a big difference....? And
the 8500LE is more like a 9200... which is around 30fps... but still
slightly faster than the 9600SE! (Bwahaha)


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55fps (4200) vs 38fps (8500)... a bit of a big difference....? And
the 8500LE is more like a 9200... which is around 30fps... but still
slightly faster than the 9600SE! (Bwahaha)

Stats like these depend a hell of a lot from the site you take them. A full
bore 8500 is the equal of a Ti4200 in many independant bechmarks......
http://www.slcentral.com/c/h/r/ati/r...0064/page5.php
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...211_1013941__8
http://www.active-hardware.com/engli...eon-8500-4.htm

Notice in all of these the 8500 is being compared with Ti4400 and 4600
cards. These do outperform it, but by 10% or less. These also outperform
the Ti4200 by 10% or so as well. I've owned several variants of the 8500
series and the best benchmark they're done on my Barton 3200 is 11,512 in
3DMark01 and 2451 in 3DMark03. This at 300/600 clocks with 3.7 drivers. Show
me any stats where a Ti4200 beats this by the 25% margin you claim or even
10%. A Ti4200 that does in excess of 13,000 on 3DMark? They are equivalent
cards. I have not owned a Ti4200. I doubt if you've owned an 8500. This is
not relevant to the discussion.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:34:09 GMT, "Augustus"
wrote:


55fps (4200) vs 38fps (8500)... a bit of a big difference....? And
the 8500LE is more like a 9200... which is around 30fps... but still
slightly faster than the 9600SE! (Bwahaha)

Stats like these depend a hell of a lot from the site you take them. A full
bore 8500 is the equal of a Ti4200 in many independant bechmarks......
http://www.slcentral.com/c/h/r/ati/r...0064/page5.php
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...211_1013941__8
http://www.active-hardware.com/engli...eon-8500-4.htm

Notice in all of these the 8500 is being compared with Ti4400 and 4600
cards. These do outperform it, but by 10% or less. These also outperform
the Ti4200 by 10% or so as well. I've owned several variants of the 8500
series and the best benchmark they're done on my Barton 3200 is 11,512 in
3DMark01 and 2451 in 3DMark03. This at 300/600 clocks with 3.7 drivers. Show
me any stats where a Ti4200 beats this by the 25% margin you claim or even
10%. A Ti4200 that does in excess of 13,000 on 3DMark? They are equivalent
cards. I have not owned a Ti4200. I doubt if you've owned an 8500. This is
not relevant to the discussion.

Lets go to this page:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...211_1013941__6

3DMark is a fine benchmark program, but its still not a "game" But in
the game Quake3, none of the 8500s are able to out-run a GF3-Ti500,
and only slightly faster than the GF3-Ti200. This review is over 2
years old. The GF4 Cards were VERY new and the drivers were not
optimized yet. The Toms Hardware review is more recent.

The the other link you provided:
http://www.active-hardware.com/engli...eon-8500-4.htm

Its not what I would call complete... but it too is also 2 years old
and they are comparing basic games.

The issues of the older Radeon line was drivers that were recently fix
with the R9000 series.

The R8500 continued to LOSE to the GF3 and obviously the GF4Ti cards.
If the 8500 was THAT good in reliability, the Ti4200 would have not
sold as well as it did (a very popular card) and the GF3 and GF2 lines
would have been murdered.

Luckily, the 9700 & 9500 were able to out-run Nvidia in most games.
Still, ATI's weakness is the OpenGl area.


- - - - -
Remember: In the USA - it is dangeroud to draw or write about Heir Bush in a negative way. The police or SS are called, people threaten to kill you. (What country is this again?)

- Fahrenheit 9/11 - Unless you see it for yourself, don't call it "a bunch of lies"... that would be unAmerican.
- White House blows cover of an undercover agent because her husband said there were no WMD (before the USA started the war) - her job was finding terrorist.
God bless the land of the free. Where you can burn the Constitution... Ashcroft does it every day.