AMD future

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:48 -0500, The Spectre wrote:

Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

So build your Intel system and go away.

No one needs 64 bit computing

yep, and in the late 70's no one needed 16bit, and in the 80's no one
needed 32bit. Wise up.

No YOU WISE up! There is almost ZERO 64 bit software available and by the
time MS releases a 64 bit OS and vendor re-compile or write 64 bit software
it will be 2 years and time to upgrade again!

The intel P4 overclocks like mad

If you say so.

I don't say so its the countless users overclocking P4 2.4's and 2.6's to
well over 3Ghz and beyond that prove so. Not to mention the 4Ghz systems
floating around the web with proper cooling.

A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome New P4's
will have added instructions P4 front side bus is bigger Most benchmarks
show P4 ahead

I don't know what you're talking about. There's hundreds of sites that
show the P4 being put to shame by AMD's FX51. I'havent seen one that
procl;aims the P4 to be the winner.

You have not looked hard enough! My point is that they are very close yet
stock yet the P4 CAN overclock whiloe the AMD what you see is what you get.

Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

Upcoming doesn't count now and there's no data on it.

Pleanty of DATA on it once again You have not looked hard enough!

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?

I know that with AMD, you get what you pay for and more. With Intel, you
pay for name and the blue people and don't get much for your money. $1000
will get you the new P4EE. Go for it, it's not my money.:-)

I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart ass coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself.

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"LBJGH" wrote in message
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1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.

Not when you OVERCLOCK it its not!

2. Using 64bit software the P4 will be even more behind.

There is almost ZERO 64 bit software available and by the time MS releases a
64 bit OS and vendor re-compile or write 64 bit software it will be 2 years
and time to upgrade again! And that is if MS is not being overly optomistic
about its release which is shure to be buggy as hell in V1.0 .

3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in
Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.

Not sure about the FSB thing but someone may be able to elaborate on this
comment. However, there are P4's well over 260 FSB and are stable on a day
to day basis not to mention the exotic ones going even higher. From my
understanding the P4 usually tounces the AMD 64s on FSB bandwith, please
correct me if I am wrong.

4. The Athlon64/FX will give you better benchmark results to impress your
friends.

Its not benchmarks I am worried about but benchmarks are valid reference
points.

5. The Athlon64/FX can have the multiplier adjusted with software where
as
all P4 are multiplier locked.

TRUE

"The Spectre" wrote in message
.. .
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?




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Uh...you can't overclock the Athlon FX 64's?

Troll.

"The Spectre" wrote in news:HnkEb.464$vn2.454
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You have not looked hard enough! My point is that they are very close yet
stock yet the P4 CAN overclock whiloe the AMD what you see is what you get.


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If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the ass
;-)

I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart ass coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself.

You got opinion and feedback. If you can't take a comment meant to be funny
you "may" be a little too thin skinned for usenet.

I shudder to think what we would pay for processors if AMD was to go out of
business.

Have a nice day

The Spectre wrote:

Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size

I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?


Well you can go a 3000+ A64 for resonable cost with a new board. Persoanlly
I run both platforms a NF2 2500+@3200+ and a p4 2.4@3 gig at 250 fsb, one
advantage of the p4 is it is almost a silent system, the amd is
watercooled or would be too noisey for my liking.

The Spectre wrote:
If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the
ass ;-)

I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart ass coments so if
you have something informative and accurate to add please do so
otherwise keep it to yourself.

Ohhh, poor boy, can't handle a bit of a ribbing with a smiley after it.

It doesn't matter a **** what you *ask* for on usenet, what you get is what
you get. Live with it.

Maybe he should have said don't let the door hit you in your *well-****ed*
arse. no smiley
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The Spectre wrote:

Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.

What reason is there to be upgrading so frequently?

..... OK, the P43.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+ at stock speeds in
everything but video encoding and adobe Photoshop.



1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.

Invalid statement. WAY too broad.





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It would actually be a 2000MHz FSB because the HT link is a 800MHz
bi-directional link, thus effectively acting like one 1600MHz link PLUS
400MHz DDR memory speed.

3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in
Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.

Not sure about the FSB thing but someone may be able to elaborate on this
comment. However, there are P4's well over 260 FSB and are stable on a day
to day basis not to mention the exotic ones going even higher. From my
understanding the P4 usually tounces the AMD 64s on FSB bandwith, please
correct me if I am wrong.




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Ya but with the Athlon64/FX you can run quicker than an Intel chip EVEN with
32bit apps.

No YOU WISE up! There is almost ZERO 64 bit software available and by the
time MS releases a 64 bit OS and vendor re-compile or write 64 bit
software
it will be 2 years and time to upgrade again!



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