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Old September 29th 05, 11:21 PM
Quartz
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I'm throwing together another pc for an old game (the only requirements
this game really has is that it needs opengl and 64mb of video memory)
and possibly some photoshop work.

in my assorted crap pile I have 3 old nvidia cards I think will fit the
bill: can anyone tell me the differences between these and which is the
best choice?


(these are all geforce 4 mx440 agp)


1) p/n 064-a4-nv69-t6 (64mb vga/svid)
2) p/n 6002191 (128m vga/svid)
3) p/n 064-a4-nv72-a (64mb dual vga)


now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the SE series cards are lower end
compared to their un-lettered siblings, right? so that means that card
#2 doesn't just have more ram, but is also somehow better/faster than
#1? or are they basically the same?

card #3 appears to be a twin-dsub version of #1... how does this work?
is the memory shared between them or does each port have its own
separate 64m? is it really a two-screen card, or does it just do
mirroring or something? (I don't have a 2nd monitor to test it with
right now)


I'm assuming that the choice is between #2 and #3, but I can't seem to
find much (if any) info on these cards online, so I'm having trouble
figuring anything out. if anyone can shed any light on this for me, I'd
greatly appreciate it


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Old October 2nd 05, 08:57 PM
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anyone have any ideas?


I'm throwing together another pc for an old game (the only requirements
this game really has is that it needs opengl and 64mb of video memory)
and possibly some photoshop work.

in my assorted crap pile I have 3 old nvidia cards I think will fit the
bill: can anyone tell me the differences between these and which is the
best choice?


(these are all geforce 4 mx440 agp)


1) p/n 064-a4-nv69-t6 (64mb vga/svid)
2) p/n 6002191 (128m vga/svid)
3) p/n 064-a4-nv72-a (64mb dual vga)


now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the SE series cards are lower end
compared to their un-lettered siblings, right? so that means that card
#2 doesn't just have more ram, but is also somehow better/faster than
#1? or are they basically the same?

card #3 appears to be a twin-dsub version of #1... how does this work?
is the memory shared between them or does each port have its own
separate 64m? is it really a two-screen card, or does it just do
mirroring or something? (I don't have a 2nd monitor to test it with
right now)


I'm assuming that the choice is between #2 and #3, but I can't seem to
find much (if any) info on these cards online, so I'm having trouble
figuring anything out. if anyone can shed any light on this for me, I'd
greatly appreciate it





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Old October 3rd 05, 08:44 AM
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"Quartz" wrote in message
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I'm throwing together another pc for an old game (the only requirements
this game really has is that it needs opengl and 64mb of video memory)
and possibly some photoshop work.

in my assorted crap pile I have 3 old nvidia cards I think will fit the
bill: can anyone tell me the differences between these and which is the
best choice?


(these are all geforce 4 mx440 agp)


1) p/n 064-a4-nv69-t6 (64mb vga/svid)
2) p/n 6002191 (128m vga/svid)
3) p/n 064-a4-nv72-a (64mb dual vga)


now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the SE series cards are lower end
compared to their un-lettered siblings, right? so that means that card
#2 doesn't just have more ram, but is also somehow better/faster than
#1? or are they basically the same?

card #3 appears to be a twin-dsub version of #1... how does this work?
is the memory shared between them or does each port have its own
separate 64m? is it really a two-screen card, or does it just do
mirroring or something? (I don't have a 2nd monitor to test it with
right now)


I'm assuming that the choice is between #2 and #3, but I can't seem to
find much (if any) info on these cards online, so I'm having trouble
figuring anything out. if anyone can shed any light on this for me, I'd
greatly appreciate it


Plug them all in and 3dmark them it'll only take you half an hour, but to be
honest there wont be a big difference between them & the 128mb one certainly
wont see any real performance improvement in the game you want to play (what
game is it btw).

As for the dual display card, all GF4 MX's are twinview compliant and both
displays share the same single framebuffer be it 64MB or 128MB, normally
it's a dsub and a dvi but obvioulsy whoever made this card made if
specifically for analogue monitors.

Cheers

Marko.


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Old October 4th 05, 11:53 PM
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Plug them all in and 3dmark them it'll only take you half an hour, but to be
honest there wont be a big difference between them


yeah, that's what I was figuring since they all seem to be basically the
same card. I was more wondering if one of them was known to be flakey or
wasn't actually the same chipset as the others. (I know nvidia's done
weird things with naming conventions before)


& the 128mb one certainly
wont see any real performance improvement in the game you want to play


I wasn't expecting it would (seeing as 64 is the max it can use), I
cared more about the SE vs non-SE issue. (since I really don't know what
the SE means). I have a couple other programs that probably could
benefit from the extra 64 though, so...


(what
game is it btw).


Melty Blood Re*Act

it's not ancient, but neither is it WoW.


As for the dual display card, all GF4 MX's are twinview compliant


'twin view' as in capable of displaying different signals on each
screen? the reason I ask is that I've bumped into a couple crappy low
end cards that are hard-wired for mirroring only.


and both
displays share the same single framebuffer be it 64MB or 128MB,


yeah, that's what I figured, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

how well does XP pro sp2 handle manipulating different screens? like if
I wanted to play MBR with the full 64, I'm assuming I'd have to disable
the 2nd screen... is this a graceful operation or do I have to go
through a restart?


I guess what I'm really asking is: is this dual-view card in any way
worse than just slapping in one of my older mx400 pci cards side by side
with the agp? can the dual-view do/not do anything that two cards
can't/can? if it's the more or less the same performance/ability either
way, I'd rather keep the pci slot open.



normally
it's a dsub and a dvi but obvioulsy whoever made this card made if
specifically for analogue monitors.


I'm assuming by your response that nvidia doesn't make cards like this?
the sticker on the back says "e-Geforce4 MX440", does that mean it's an
evga card? (and if so, is that good or bad... I know they make clone
cards, but I don't know their reputation)

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Old October 5th 05, 08:04 AM
Marko
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"Quartz" wrote in message
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Plug them all in and 3dmark them it'll only take you half an hour, but to
be
honest there wont be a big difference between them


yeah, that's what I was figuring since they all seem to be basically the
same card. I was more wondering if one of them was known to be flakey or
wasn't actually the same chipset as the others. (I know nvidia's done
weird things with naming conventions before)


& the 128mb one certainly
wont see any real performance improvement in the game you want to play


I wasn't expecting it would (seeing as 64 is the max it can use), I
cared more about the SE vs non-SE issue. (since I really don't know what
the SE means). I have a couple other programs that probably could
benefit from the extra 64 though, so...


SE cards generally have lower clocked memory normally around 333MHz vs
400MHz for regular 440's & the clock rate may be slightly lower but I'm not
100% on that one.


(what
game is it btw).


Melty Blood Re*Act

it's not ancient, but neither is it WoW.


As for the dual display card, all GF4 MX's are twinview compliant


'twin view' as in capable of displaying different signals on each
screen? the reason I ask is that I've bumped into a couple crappy low
end cards that are hard-wired for mirroring only.


Yup twinview when enable displays two seperate images or you can merge them
into one giant widescreen desktop.


and both
displays share the same single framebuffer be it 64MB or 128MB,


yeah, that's what I figured, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

how well does XP pro sp2 handle manipulating different screens? like if
I wanted to play MBR with the full 64, I'm assuming I'd have to disable
the 2nd screen... is this a graceful operation or do I have to go
through a restart?

XP handles it out of the box you wouldnt have to disable anything you game
has to support multiple screen gaming for it to use multiple displays and if
this game is ancient it wont, thus when it is run it will run on your
primary dispaly and the card will automatically allocate all memory to it
for the duration of the game and switch back t odual screen mode once you
finish.

I guess what I'm really asking is: is this dual-view card in any way
worse than just slapping in one of my older mx400 pci cards side by side
with the agp? can the dual-view do/not do anything that two cards
can't/can? if it's the more or less the same performance/ability either
way, I'd rather keep the pci slot open.


The dual screen results will probably be the same mostly although the 440
will support mutli screen gaming for some newer games but to be honest it's
not really got the horsepower for it, but it is significantly more powerful
than a GF2MX for gaming due to double the memory bandwidth at least and also
around a 40% faster core.



normally
it's a dsub and a dvi but obvioulsy whoever made this card made if
specifically for analogue monitors.


I'm assuming by your response that nvidia doesn't make cards like this?
the sticker on the back says "e-Geforce4 MX440", does that mean it's an
evga card? (and if so, is that good or bad... I know they make clone
cards, but I don't know their reputation)


No nVidia dont generally make any cards for public use at all they simply
provide reference design for oem's to copy/modify/ignore the manufacturer
probably simply decided rather than give the user a DSUB and a DVI they
would supply 2 DSUB's as when the card was released analogue monitors were
still the defacto standard for high quality displays.

you can use the FCC number on the card to search the fcc website for
manufacturers name.

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/help.html


Cheers Marko


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Old October 5th 05, 10:48 PM
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SE cards generally have lower clocked memory normally around 333MHz vs
400MHz for regular 440's & the clock rate may be slightly lower but I'm not
100% on that one.


so I'm right in saying that they're a lower-end version of the line?


you game
has to support multiple screen gaming for it to use multiple displays and if
this game is ancient it wont,


I'm 99.9% sure it doesn't, as it's a 2d fighter. (think guilty gear or
KoF).

oh, for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melty_Blood


thus when it is run it will run on your
primary dispaly and the card will automatically allocate all memory to it
for the duration of the game and switch back t odual screen mode once you
finish.


I'm assuming this relies on the game passing the proper "full screen"
variables to the system... I'm not sure how it handles that.



The dual screen results will probably be the same mostly although the 440
will support mutli screen gaming for some newer games but to be honest it's
not really got the horsepower for it,


hmm... ok. I take it I can't run a multi-screen game across two cards?


but it is significantly more powerful
than a GF2MX for gaming due to double the memory bandwidth at least and also
around a 40% faster core.


well, if I'm running a single-screen game anyway, it doesn't really
matter what card is powering the other screen.



No nVidia dont generally make any cards for public use at all they simply
provide reference design for oem's to copy/modify/ignore



so when I buy an nvidia card, it's really made by someone else? is this
different from how ATI does things?


you can use the FCC number on the card to search the fcc website for
manufacturers name.


the card doesn't have an fcc ID though... oh well.

how much should I care about this anyway? are there some manufacturers
known to be crappy?

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those who don't.
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Old October 6th 05, 07:44 AM
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"Quartz" wrote in message
...

SE cards generally have lower clocked memory normally around 333MHz vs
400MHz for regular 440's & the clock rate may be slightly lower but I'm
not
100% on that one.


so I'm right in saying that they're a lower-end version of the line?

Yeah a slightly cut down version using cheaper ram an maybe a 4 layer pcb
instead of a 6 layer one, much like nVidia's LE range of cards today.

you game
has to support multiple screen gaming for it to use multiple displays and
if
this game is ancient it wont,


I'm 99.9% sure it doesn't, as it's a 2d fighter. (think guilty gear or
KoF).


Yeah it almost certainly wont then.


oh, for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melty_Blood


thus when it is run it will run on your
primary dispaly and the card will automatically allocate all memory to it
for the duration of the game and switch back t odual screen mode once
you
finish.


I'm assuming this relies on the game passing the proper "full screen"
variables to the system... I'm not sure how it handles that.



The dual screen results will probably be the same mostly although the 440
will support mutli screen gaming for some newer games but to be honest
it's
not really got the horsepower for it,


hmm... ok. I take it I can't run a multi-screen game across two cards?


but it is significantly more powerful
than a GF2MX for gaming due to double the memory bandwidth at least and
also
around a 40% faster core.


well, if I'm running a single-screen game anyway, it doesn't really
matter what card is powering the other screen.



No nVidia dont generally make any cards for public use at all they simply
provide reference design for oem's to copy/modify/ignore



so when I buy an nvidia card, it's really made by someone else? is this
different from how ATI does things?


you can use the FCC number on the card to search the fcc website for
manufacturers name.


the card doesn't have an fcc ID though... oh well.

how much should I care about this anyway? are there some manufacturers
known to be crappy?

____
- Quartz -
there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and
those who don't.



 




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