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Old December 13th 03, 09:53 PM
zmike6
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Default 3dmark with Ti4200 and 2600+ system

Just upgraded my GF4-Ti4200-equipped system's CPU to a t-bred
2600+/266 FSB model, now slightly overclocked to 2.22 ghz. I ran
some benchmarks and am a bit disappointed with where I am. System
specs are at the end of this post. In 3dMark 2001 I'm only getting
10600. In CodeCreatures, only 26.2 avg fps. VulpineGL is average 107
FPS. When this system had a 2000+ CPU, non overclocked, it did
roughly 9400 3dmarks. Pure CPU benchmarks show this system to be
performing about where it should, it's mainly the video benchmarks
that are kicking my butt.

Ideas: For one thing this CPU is only the 133 FSB version, this
motherboard doesn't support the 166 FSB Athlons. Also I'm using the
standard Windows XP drivers for the VIA chipset, not the newer 4-in-1
hyperions, 'cause I hear many folks have stability problems with those
and the install sounds like a pain. I know the NForce 2 setups have
better performance than Via KT333 but I still think I'm "short" at
least 1000 3dmarks.

System Specs & Settings:

MSI KT3 Ultra2-C
Athlon XP 2600+/266, at 16x139 = 2224 mhz.
512 MB DDR RAM CAS2 running in sync with CPU at 139
GeForce 4 Ti4200 at 264 core/466 mem (bad overclocker)
45.23 drivers for video
Windows XP Home
DirectX 8.1

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Old December 13th 03, 10:08 PM
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If its any consolation I get over 15200 with my Ti4200 and an XP 1800
overclocked on my Abit NF7-s (it was that board and 3200 memory with fast
timings that made such a difference). But to get that every part of the
system is overclocked, the fan noise due to the heat (esp. in summer) is
silly and running right at the 'edge' of a stable system is not very
comforting.
It is all slowed clocked down now so I get around 12500 all the time but
even with the 3000 or so 'missing' it has made no actual difference in
games, and that is what counts, also its very quiet
If you believe that you are missing around 1000 points or so then I really
wouldn't bother as that would translate to very little in actual gaming use.
BTW my Ti4200 is always clocked to 300/600 and runs fine so if you are
struggling with speeds above 264/466 then just be happy with a great system
and run the games that its for.

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Old December 14th 03, 07:19 AM
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:53 GMT, zmike6
wrote:

Just upgraded my GF4-Ti4200-equipped system's CPU to a t-bred
2600+/266 FSB model, now slightly overclocked to 2.22 ghz. I ran
some benchmarks and am a bit disappointed with where I am. System
specs are at the end of this post. In 3dMark 2001 I'm only getting
10600. In CodeCreatures, only 26.2 avg fps. VulpineGL is average 107
FPS. When this system had a 2000+ CPU, non overclocked, it did
roughly 9400 3dmarks. Pure CPU benchmarks show this system to be
performing about where it should, it's mainly the video benchmarks
that are kicking my butt.

Ideas: For one thing this CPU is only the 133 FSB version, this
motherboard doesn't support the 166 FSB Athlons. Also I'm using the
standard Windows XP drivers for the VIA chipset, not the newer 4-in-1
hyperions, 'cause I hear many folks have stability problems with those
and the install sounds like a pain. I know the NForce 2 setups have
better performance than Via KT333 but I still think I'm "short" at
least 1000 3dmarks.

System Specs & Settings:

MSI KT3 Ultra2-C
Athlon XP 2600+/266, at 16x139 = 2224 mhz.
512 MB DDR RAM CAS2 running in sync with CPU at 139
GeForce 4 Ti4200 at 264 core/466 mem (bad overclocker)
45.23 drivers for video
Windows XP Home
DirectX 8.1


my ti4200 stock at 250/500 running on a XP2100 o/c to 2332 mhz gets
12636 3d marks ( 3dMark 2001)
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Old December 14th 03, 07:55 AM
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:19:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:53 GMT, zmike6
wrote:

Just upgraded my GF4-Ti4200-equipped system's CPU to a t-bred
2600+/266 FSB model, now slightly overclocked to 2.22 ghz. I ran
some benchmarks and am a bit disappointed with where I am. System
specs are at the end of this post. In 3dMark 2001 I'm only getting
10600. In CodeCreatures, only 26.2 avg fps. VulpineGL is average 107
FPS. When this system had a 2000+ CPU, non overclocked, it did
roughly 9400 3dmarks. Pure CPU benchmarks show this system to be
performing about where it should, it's mainly the video benchmarks
that are kicking my butt.

Ideas: For one thing this CPU is only the 133 FSB version, this
motherboard doesn't support the 166 FSB Athlons. Also I'm using the
standard Windows XP drivers for the VIA chipset, not the newer 4-in-1
hyperions, 'cause I hear many folks have stability problems with those
and the install sounds like a pain. I know the NForce 2 setups have


better performance than Via KT333 but I still think I'm "short" at
least 1000 3dmarks.

System Specs & Settings:

MSI KT3 Ultra2-C
Athlon XP 2600+/266, at 16x139 = 2224 mhz.
512 MB DDR RAM CAS2 running in sync with CPU at 139
GeForce 4 Ti4200 at 264 core/466 mem (bad overclocker)
45.23 drivers for video
Windows XP Home
DirectX 8.1


my ti4200 stock at 250/500 running on a XP2100 o/c to 2332 mhz gets
12636 3d marks ( 3dMark 2001)



If you don't mind, What OS? (98/XP etc.?) What video driver? And what
motherboard? (Via, Nforce?) Finally how are you overclocking that
CPU...FSB or multiplier? I wish this STUPID motherboard had the 1/5
divider to support 166 FSB like EVERY OTHER KT3 ULTRA2 MSI MADE!
THANKS A LOT FOR THE CRIPPLED PRODUCT MSI!
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Old December 14th 03, 11:26 AM
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:53 GMT, zmike6
wrote:

Just upgraded my GF4-Ti4200-equipped system's CPU to a t-bred
2600+/266 FSB model, now slightly overclocked to 2.22 ghz. I ran
some benchmarks and am a bit disappointed with where I am. System
specs are at the end of this post. In 3dMark 2001 I'm only getting
10600. In CodeCreatures, only 26.2 avg fps. VulpineGL is average 107


Thats about right... If you want 15,000+ you'd have an ATI9800 or
FX5900Itra

FPS. When this system had a 2000+ CPU, non overclocked, it did
roughly 9400 3dmarks. Pure CPU benchmarks show this system to be


Still about right... The performance curve of 32bit CPUs comes down
after 2000mhz (or AMD 2000+ class)... but computations in other areas
may benefit.

Ideas: For one thing this CPU is only the 133 FSB version, this
motherboard doesn't support the 166 FSB Athlons. Also I'm using the


Don't make much difference... but my OC 2500 should go up a bit when
I get around to putting XP on it.

standard Windows XP drivers for the VIA chipset, not the newer 4-in-1
hyperions, 'cause I hear many folks have stability problems with those
and the install sounds like a pain. I know the NForce 2 setups have
better performance than Via KT333 but I still think I'm "short" at
least 1000 3dmarks.


??? Never had problems using 4-in-1 from VIA... the ones that come
with WinXP are old... older than your board. Upgrade to latest.

NForce2 systems are about 20% faster than VIA. But the KT333 chipset
is very good... next serious upgrade is 64bit AMD.


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Old December 14th 03, 11:39 AM
Ulrik Lye
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"zmike6" wrote in message
...
Just upgraded my GF4-Ti4200-equipped system's CPU to a t-bred
2600+/266 FSB model, now slightly overclocked to 2.22 ghz. I ran
some benchmarks and am a bit disappointed with where I am. System
specs are at the end of this post. In 3dMark 2001 I'm only getting
10600. In CodeCreatures, only 26.2 avg fps. VulpineGL is average 107
FPS. When this system had a 2000+ CPU, non overclocked, it did
roughly 9400 3dmarks. Pure CPU benchmarks show this system to be
performing about where it should, it's mainly the video benchmarks
that are kicking my butt.

Ideas: For one thing this CPU is only the 133 FSB version, this
motherboard doesn't support the 166 FSB Athlons. Also I'm using the
standard Windows XP drivers for the VIA chipset, not the newer 4-in-1
hyperions, 'cause I hear many folks have stability problems with those
and the install sounds like a pain. I know the NForce 2 setups have
better performance than Via KT333 but I still think I'm "short" at
least 1000 3dmarks.


I doubt the chipset has anything to say about your result. I'm running on an
older chipset (KT266A) and still I get better results than you do with a
[email protected] You should upgrade to the 4-in-1 drivers - it's no pain to
install them and they're most likely better.

System Specs & Settings:

MSI KT3 Ultra2-C
Athlon XP 2600+/266, at 16x139 = 2224 mhz.


FSB overclocking is far more effective than multiplier in this benchmark. I get
better results with 10x150 (1501 mhz) than 10.5x146 (1530 mhz) with mine 1600+.

512 MB DDR RAM CAS2 running in sync with CPU at 139
GeForce 4 Ti4200 at 264 core/466 mem (bad overclocker)


This is pretty poor. Many ti4200 cards are sold with stock core speed of
250/550. I believe this is the main reason you score low results. When I made my
best result I ran at

cpu: [email protected] (150fsb)
gpu: 308c/628m
Sco 11365

45.23 drivers for video


It's been a while since I ran benchmarks - but try other drivers as well - some
are better than others. My favorite driver used to be 40.52.

Windows XP Home


I use WinXP Pro - probably no difference.

DirectX 8.1


Same as I used when I benched. I have dx9 now. I have no idea if it does
anything for this card.

/sisy


 




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