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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
"TJ" wrote in message .. . (snip) I haven't had that problem with Linux. In almost six years of using Linux, through several updated versions, all of my peripherals (except for one oddball Visioneer scanner) have worked "out-of-the-box," and they keep working that way. (snip) TJ - I also had to dump a Visioneer scanner when I updated to a new Windows version. Visioneer didn't update their drivers. The scanner wasn't very old. Last Visioneer scanner to grace my desk. In fairness, technology and associated software for scanners had advanced to the point where it was actually a blessing after the fact. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text? Off Topic
CBFalconer wrote:
Miles Bader wrote: TJ writes: How many printers have we heard about in this newsgroup that don't work with Vista because the manufacturer didn't bother to develop a driver? Of course, a printer that actually requires a special driver is a crap design in the first place... Of course a system that uses Vista is a crap design in the first place. For some of the reasons, see below. -- http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423 http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0702.html#8 http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html All of the links above are reasonably old in terms of the release cycle of a new OS. Vista has improved immeasurably in the past few months and when SP1 comes out in the new year I suspect we will see better performance as well as other improvements. Your comment about Vista reminds me of similar comments about XP and previous versions of Windows during the early stages of release. In many cases the end result was a pretty reliable OS (Windows98SE and Windows XP with SP2 for eaxmple). Modern OS' are immensely complex and anybody who thinks they can be released in their final totally stable version is dreaming. All of the negatives in the above links have been refuted by people just as expert as the authors. It seems to me that the links have been "cherry picked", in other words chosen because they are all negative. There are many positive links about Vista. I have been using Vista for many months with absolutely no issues as of yet and am looking forward to SP1. I also lived with the Windows 98 XP iterations which resulted in a stable computing experience for me. On a more specific note the first link is well worth a read, clearly the author has an agenda. He says that "This document looks purely at the cost of the technical portions of Vista's content protection" and immediately follows this with comments that are critical of the OS with little or no relevance to the subject matter. Tony |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
Burt wrote:
TJ - I also had to dump a Visioneer scanner when I updated to a new Windows version. Visioneer didn't update their drivers. The scanner wasn't very old. Last Visioneer scanner to grace my desk. That's my point. You scanner may, in fact, have worked fine! The *******s were too sucky to even see if their existing drivers would work under the new OS (which, in my own case, the driver works just fine). By the way, Visioneer scanners were/are sold under other brand names (such as Memorex,Colorado, and private label brands). So when you buy a scanner sold under one of these brand names, guess whose "support" you're going to get? Bubba |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
"Cal Bubba" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: TJ - I also had to dump a Visioneer scanner when I updated to a new Windows version. Visioneer didn't update their drivers. The scanner wasn't very old. Last Visioneer scanner to grace my desk. That's my point. You scanner may, in fact, have worked fine! The *******s were too sucky to even see if their existing drivers would work under the new OS (which, in my own case, the driver works just fine). By the way, Visioneer scanners were/are sold under other brand names (such as Memorex,Colorado, and private label brands). So when you buy a scanner sold under one of these brand names, guess whose "support" you're going to get? Bubba You are right - the Visioneer scanner worked just fine. I was forced to move on to Epson and Canon scanners and ended up with much better, faster, more versatile units. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:59:01 -0500, TJ
wrote: measekite wrote: TJ wrote: Burt wrote: On my desk I always have the two printer solution to the problem. A good quality b/w laser printer and an inkjet that prints good quality photos and color graphics. The best of both worlds at this point in time. Fast text printing for multi-page reports, documentation booklets, checks, and business correspondance. Photo prints that look, to the naked eye, as good as lab prints. Probably the best solution, as long as the O.P. has the space and the cash to buy, use, and support two printers. TJ If you really think about it you may buy two printers but in essence you are really supporting one in a giving time period. You see if you use the printers equally then in theory each will last twice as long in a given period so each will require 1/2 the maintenance. So the average is the same for one printer. It's a moot point. If you really think about it, a well-designed, well-built printer will probably be considered outdated and/or obsolete by the manufacturer long before it quits printing, even if it's the only printer you use. Irrelevant. Even if it is outdated before it breaks it can still have far better cost per page, far better printing quality, far faster. How many printers have we heard about in this newsgroup that don't work with Vista because the manufacturer didn't bother to develop a driver? Who buys an OS without checking if it supports their needs first? Why buys a printer without checking whether it supports the OS they want to use? IMO, Vista is not as worthwhile as a nice printer. YMMV. It doesn't matter if you use a printer every day or once a month - when the support is gone, it's gone. Not really, many of the nicer printers out there aren't WinPrinters, don't need elaborate software. Some can be set up generically over a parallel port, especially for text printing. Others may eventually have Vista drivers unless very old already, and if very old already, the reasonable value was already gotten out of the purchase. You also have not demonstrated we have a reasonable assumption "it's gone". Your argument doesn't address the problem of needing enough space, either. Might be a valid argument in a small office cubical, but the with several cubicals there would be a shared network printer. If you're not stuffed in a cubical there is no real "needing enough space" argument, a printer is not a large appliance (in most cases, we're not talking about a high volume business class machine for the purposes of this thread), it can be put almost anywhere. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:14:40 GMT, "Burt"
wrote: "Miles Bader" wrote in message ... TJ writes: How many printers have we heard about in this newsgroup that don't work with Vista because the manufacturer didn't bother to develop a driver? Of course, a printer that actually requires a special driver is a crap design in the first place... Excuse me for contradicting your generalization, Miles. I've had several peripheral devices and software versions that worked great but didn't have new drivers or were incompatable when we updated our OS. Had to replace them with new devices for which the new version of the OS had a driver or software versions that were compatable with the new OS version. Common problems that I've encountered while migrating through the various versions of Windows. The devices were not crap - the manufacturers of these devices/software versions decided to not support them with the new windows version. That is why I've purchased my last two computers in Oct and Nov and specified WinXP instead of Vista. I think what was meant was "cheap crap". Given enough money the printer manufacturer would write a driver, but years later they don't see any money in it. Cheap isn't necessarily bad though, cheap stuff can do fine - till you realize what the limitations were in it being cheap. Needing a host processing based driver is one of those limitations. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:39:41 GMT, "Burt"
wrote: "TJ" wrote in message . .. (snip) I haven't had that problem with Linux. In almost six years of using Linux, through several updated versions, all of my peripherals (except for one oddball Visioneer scanner) have worked "out-of-the-box," and they keep working that way. (snip) TJ - I also had to dump a Visioneer scanner when I updated to a new Windows version. Visioneer didn't update their drivers. The scanner wasn't very old. Last Visioneer scanner to grace my desk. In fairness, technology and associated software for scanners had advanced to the point where it was actually a blessing after the fact. Which model? I have 5, maybe 7-8 year old lower-end Visioneers that still worked on XP. I'd have replaced them long ago but they keep running so... one of them will be replaced if I ever need to use it to scan more than text as it's CCFL is starting to dim some so it is mostly suited for text scanning now. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:16:48 -0800, Cal Bubba
wrote: Burt wrote: TJ - I also had to dump a Visioneer scanner when I updated to a new Windows version. Visioneer didn't update their drivers. The scanner wasn't very old. Last Visioneer scanner to grace my desk. That's my point. You scanner may, in fact, have worked fine! The *******s were too sucky to even see if their existing drivers would work under the new OS (which, in my own case, the driver works just fine). By the way, Visioneer scanners were/are sold under other brand names (such as Memorex,Colorado, and private label brands). So when you buy a scanner sold under one of these brand names, guess whose "support" you're going to get? Bubba Any of the above? Mostly Visioneer since their 'site does provide the legacy drivers. (see links below). My Visioneer 4400, Memorex 6142, PrimaScan 2600U (all same printer/driver, just sold under all these names) has XP drivers. For the price I paid way back when (under $20 after a rebate) and that it works still today, I can hardly complain if it wasn't supported by Vista. http://support.visioneer.com/product...ex/default.asp Now the funny part, the 2600U claims not designed for XP but is the same printer, with same driver they claim works for the Memorex: http://support.visioneer.com/product.../downloads.asp |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text? Off Topic
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:53:26 -0600, Tony
wrote: CBFalconer wrote: Miles Bader wrote: TJ writes: How many printers have we heard about in this newsgroup that don't work with Vista because the manufacturer didn't bother to develop a driver? Of course, a printer that actually requires a special driver is a crap design in the first place... Of course a system that uses Vista is a crap design in the first place. For some of the reasons, see below. -- http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423 http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0702.html#8 http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html All of the links above are reasonably old in terms of the release cycle of a new OS. Vista has improved immeasurably in the past few months Nonsense. Marketing drivel. and when SP1 comes out in the new year I suspect we will see better performance as well as other improvements. Of course, but that doesn't mean it should be used NOW, nor does it mean the improvement will be enough, nor does it negate any of the other valid concerns in the above links. Your comment about Vista reminds me of similar comments about XP and previous versions of Windows during the early stages of release. Then you didn't read the links but read too much into a two word description like "crap design", which isn't elaborated upon enough in his post to attribute anything similar to the state of early release of 9x, 2k or XP, but THEN the content of what was linked makes it even more uniquely different. It really isn't at all similar to the concerns about previous versions of windows, except in the generic way that any immature code will be refined over time but even then we still see what the goal is with the refinement. Vista will still have many of the concerns people express no matter how much it is polished, because the design did not have many consumer's interests in mind. |
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What inkjet printer prints the best text? Off Topic
I am not into "Marketing drivel" I am an engineer and am into first hand
experience and my comments are based on exactly that, my own experience. Perhaps you would rather believe what people with thinly disguised agendas write! There are many people publishing good reports of Vista, what a pity that people don't read the positive and concentrate only on the negative; part of the human condition I guess! What's' wrong with using Vista now, it work,s and works very well, for me and I have pushed it pretty hard; all of my hardware migrated to Vista once the drivers became available which didn't take very long, all of my software (some of it quite specialised) is working well with Vista. All of my customers that use Vista are satisfied with it and there are lots of them. Have you actually used Vista or do you rely on biased reports? Of course it isn't perfect, it may never be perfect but it is so much better than its predecessors at the same point in the development cycle that there is no comparison. MS have done a pretty good job this time, of course for some people they can't do anything well. As I said, experience with previous Windows versions leads me to believe that there will be significant improvement soon and my experience with the OS is that there already have been some major improvements......no different to previous developments. I read the links very carefully indeed, they are dated and in some cases they contain barely disguised agendas. The only agenda I have is the pursuit of truth with no bias! kony wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:53:26 -0600, Tony wrote: CBFalconer wrote: Miles Bader wrote: TJ writes: How many printers have we heard about in this newsgroup that don't work with Vista because the manufacturer didn't bother to develop a driver? Of course, a printer that actually requires a special driver is a crap design in the first place... Of course a system that uses Vista is a crap design in the first place. For some of the reasons, see below. -- http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423 http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0702.html#8 http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html All of the links above are reasonably old in terms of the release cycle of a new OS. Vista has improved immeasurably in the past few months Nonsense. Marketing drivel. and when SP1 comes out in the new year I suspect we will see better performance as well as other improvements. Of course, but that doesn't mean it should be used NOW, nor does it mean the improvement will be enough, nor does it negate any of the other valid concerns in the above links. Your comment about Vista reminds me of similar comments about XP and previous versions of Windows during the early stages of release. Then you didn't read the links but read too much into a two word description like "crap design", which isn't elaborated upon enough in his post to attribute anything similar to the state of early release of 9x, 2k or XP, but THEN the content of what was linked makes it even more uniquely different. It really isn't at all similar to the concerns about previous versions of windows, except in the generic way that any immature code will be refined over time but even then we still see what the goal is with the refinement. Vista will still have many of the concerns people express no matter how much it is polished, because the design did not have many consumer's interests in mind. |
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