Refill inks permanence test

Richard Steinfeld wrote:

whatcartridge.com wrote:

If you are in any way interested in printing quality photos on your
inkjet, you should know about Wilhelm Imaging Research.


....


Recently he tested third party inks from several common suppliers -
including Island Inkjet, Carrot Ink, Staples, Office Depot, Office Max,
Caboodle Cartridge and Cartridge World. These were either third party
or refilled cartridges.


I read this article a month or two ago. It's a great article and
Wilhelm has made good contributions. However, when people who are very
critical customers, such as the artist Neil Slade, discuss their
practical, discerning use of aftermarket inks, the brands that Wilhelm
mentioned are not considered.


that is not true. cartridge world CLAIMS to sell Sensinent Formulabs
ink which is highly touted by the cult. since wilhelm tested this ink
and found it inferior then it is apparent wilhelm did cover all of the
inks. since the relabelers do not discose what they sell it is very
likely that wilhelm covered what they relabel and market

Every mention I've seen about Staples ink says that it's junk (and
overpriced junk, too). The only reloading ink that I saw at Fry's
recently, was "one size fits all,"

i was at frys and say some junk ink that claimed it was for a canon
printer and was next to the canon inks

and at quite a stiff price considering that the kit was from China.
And the store manager told me that if I didn't like the ink, I was the
stuckee ("If you open it, you can't return it.").

I don't think that we can expect good quality from sellers named
"Ike's Ink Madhouse," "Inkhouse Insanity," "Cartridges R Us,"
"Ink-o-rama," and "Inkjet Whoopie! ('Trust us: we've sold billions of
cartridges')"

Slade likes MIS ink (not IMS one-size-for-all that Costco used to
sell), Computer Friends, and Inkgrabber (for reloads). Slade uses
Canon printers. It's really too bad that Wilhelm didn't test the more
serious of these ink sources.


but they did. the above mentioned are relabelers labels not the
mfg/formulator.


I recently ordered three cartridges from Inkgrabber for my two HP
machines. So far, I'm pleased with the quality and certainly the
price. My only complaint is that they shipped it in a paper bag -- and
that, to me, is disrespectful and potentially serious.


fly by night relabeling unprofessional hawkers. yopu said it and that
is what i have been saying all along



Too bad that Wilhelm didn't try better products -- I trust his
research; too bad that the sample wasn't what we in this group would
want to hear about.

but it is. many in this group tout Formulabs. i even thought they
might be the best of the bunch but they do not sell under their own name
and after the wilhelm test i would have many seond thoughts. they also
sold a bad batch of ink last year.


Richard

Taliesyn wrote:

Richard Steinfeld wrote:

whatcartridge.com wrote:


Too bad that Wilhelm didn't try better products -- I trust his
research; too bad that the sample wasn't what we in this group would
want to hear about.


Incomprehensible "Wilhelm" doesn't follow this newsgroup, otherwise he
would have discovered that no one here uses the inks he was wasting
his time testing.


he probably does and concluded that the people in this ng do not know
what they are using since the relabelers will not tell them. he found a
representative sample of ink to test based on the mfg/formulator and not
on the relabeler who sells them


Prints are apparently interrogated under "450 lux" light for "12 hours
per day." Admittedly I don't know how bright that is, but it just may
be a torture test. My images are subjected to normal room light, away
from direct sun. Special projects are kept away in dark drawers and
shelves.
They're in perfect condition after several years.

-Taliesyn

John McWilliams wrote:

Is there real meat to the allegations he's funded by the Epsons and
Canons and HPs of the world?


"Wilhelm" is a for profit company. The OEM are his primary clients.
Don't bite the hand that feed you.

Hendo wrote:
ray wrote:

I did my own fade test. I printed shaded color bars and pictures on
various papers with Canon ink and MIS ink. I put them in a west
facing window for 6 months. The Canon ink on either Canon or
Epson paper was the clear winner. There was little fading and
the gray bar remained gray. The MIS was slightly worse, it faded
uniformly, so color balance was still good. The biggest variable
was in the paper. Canon and Epson were best, Cotsco was
somewhat worse, Konica was considerably worse, HP and
Canon matte were pretty bad. On the latter the mengenta bar
was almost gone so color balance was poor.

The Epson paper I use is their Premium Glossy Photo paper.
It has a nicer looking surface than the Kirkland and when it
goes on sale at office depot at 2 for 1 it is about $25 for 100
sheets, not that much more expensive than the Kirkland.
So for my money I am using Epson Premium and MIS ink.


Good choice...MIS ink is amazing aftermarket ink and works great on
Epson paper.


Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.

Thanks.

Richard

Richard Steinfeld wrote:


Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.

Thanks.

Richard

Great Choice. HP makes the best printers. What model of HP printer do
you own.

I have several HP printers.

HP 970
HP 5940
HP 7760

All of them I use aftermarket ink. The HP pigment black ink I use is
darker and richer than the OEM. I would never use anything other than
aftermarket inks in my printers, OEM ink is a waste of money and time.

Richard Steinfeld wrote:

Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.


Thanks.


Richard



Great Choice. HP makes the best printers. What model of HP printer do
you own.

I have several HP printers.


HP 970
HP 5940
HP 7760


All of them I use aftermarket ink. The HP pigment black ink I use is
darker and richer than the OEM. I would never use anything other than
aftermarket inks in my printers, OEM ink is a waste of money and time.

Ian wrote:
Richard Steinfeld wrote:


Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.

Thanks.

Richard


Great Choice. HP makes the best printers. What model of HP printer do
you own.


An 850c and a 940c. This is a new experience for me because I've used
only laser printers and before that dot matrices, and before that daisy
wheels. I still have an Olympia typewriter (made by Nakajima) which
doubles as a slow but sturdy printer.

Being used to churning out documents and references for myself, buying
OEM ink is simply insane: it's priced for wealthy dillitantes (perhaps
Republicans).

These two inkjet printers dropped into my lap. I'm fascinated with them.
Why do you say that HP's printers are the best?

I have several HP printers.

HP 970
HP 5940
HP 7760

All of them I use aftermarket ink. The HP pigment black ink I use is
darker and richer than the OEM. I would never use anything other than
aftermarket inks in my printers, OEM ink is a waste of money and time.


Please tell me (us) which ink that you like for your HPs. I've only used
the OE ink in the 850, and only the Inkgrabber refills in the 940. I'm
in the US. Even if you're in a different country than I am, your
information will be useful to someone!

I'm having a bizarre misfeed problem with the 940, which appears to be a
software/firmware problem within the printer itself.

Richard

Hendo wrote:
Richard Steinfeld wrote:


Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.



Thanks.



Richard




Great Choice. HP makes the best printers. What model of HP printer do
you own.

I have several HP printers.


HP 970
HP 5940
HP 7760


All of them I use aftermarket ink. The HP pigment black ink I use is
darker and richer than the OEM. I would never use anything other than
aftermarket inks in my printers, OEM ink is a waste of money and time.


Uh...
Are you "Ian" or "Hendo?"
Both of you posted the identical message.
Siamese twins?
A pair of HP cartridges joined at the carriage?

Richard

Richard Steinfeld wrote:

Hendo wrote:

ray wrote:

I did my own fade test. I printed shaded color bars and pictures on
various papers with Canon ink and MIS ink. I put them in a west
facing window for 6 months. The Canon ink on either Canon or
Epson paper was the clear winner. There was little fading and
the gray bar remained gray. The MIS was slightly worse, it faded
uniformly, so color balance was still good. The biggest variable
was in the paper. Canon and Epson were best, Cotsco was
somewhat worse, Konica was considerably worse, HP and
Canon matte were pretty bad. On the latter the mengenta bar
was almost gone so color balance was poor.

The Epson paper I use is their Premium Glossy Photo paper.
It has a nicer looking surface than the Kirkland and when it
goes on sale at office depot at 2 for 1 it is about $25 for 100
sheets, not that much more expensive than the Kirkland.
So for my money I am using Epson Premium and MIS ink.



Good choice...MIS ink is amazing aftermarket ink and works great on
Epson paper.


Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink
should be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for
example, I don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.

it might work maginally ok in january and poor in february and not at
all in march. you see there is not guarantee that you will get the same
thing from them each time and they will not tell you what they are
selling. one thing about canon is consistency. and yes you have to pay
more for that, the good results, fade resistency, and reduced risk of
clogging the printhead.


Thanks.

Richard

Ian wrote:

Richard Steinfeld wrote:



Since MIS sells ink formulated for specific printers, as all ink should
be, I'd like to know what printer you use. Otherwise, for example, I
don't know how well MIS ink will work in my HP printer.

Thanks.

Richard



Great Choice. HP makes the best printers. What model of HP printer do
you own.

I have several HP printers.

HP 970
HP 5940
HP 7760

All of them I use aftermarket ink. The HP pigment black ink I use is
darker and richer than the OEM.


oh i see hp is better than oem. okaaaaay :-*

I would never use anything other than
aftermarket inks in my printers, OEM ink is a waste of money and time.