nVidia F*cked

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:12:24 -0400, "who be dat?"
wrote:

Don't forget about ATi's trade up program, it's at:

http://www.ati.com/buy/traderebate/tradeup.html

Looks like a pretty good deal. Wish I known about this when I ditched my
Nvidia Ti4600 and got my 9800 Pro. No big deal though, it was money well
spent.

Chris Smith


Looks interesting for anyone living on the North American continent.
Otherwise, the rest of us can all go get f****d. Damn. They all do
it to us. Except when I mailed in my Creative rebate vouchers in the
UK offer. They just ignored that one although the offer was open
here.

Gary

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:46:26 -0400, "who be dat?"
wrote:

I'll tell you what will be interesting. Install these new drivers then
install the benchmark. Run the benchmark as is, then rename the EXE and
rerun to compare the results. Heck, for that matter, run the benchmark then
run the game tell me if the results are comparable. I can hear it now: "I
can run the benchmark with everything maxed out at 1152*864 but the game
wont' run above 1024*768 unless I turn a lot of eye candy off. WTF?!"
hehehe

My personal opinion is that FX card owners need to file a class action
lawsuit against Nvidia. However, Nvidia owners seem to be the type of
people who will take whatever **** is shoveled at them and just sit back and
take it. Pathetic bunch of suckers. I hope you enjoyed giving Nvidia your
money. I'm sure they enjoyed taking it.

Chris Smith


Now, there's no need for insults here. Most people look at the
screen, see something not running the way it does in the
demos/benchmarks/reviews and start thinking it might be the RAM/CPU/HD
or anything else in the case. Mostly because every other source of
info says how good it runs on their (test) systems.

The "it must be me" syndrome is rife. Look at the picture on a
home-bake cake mix and see how yummy it looks. Then make one. It
doesn't matter how good a cook you are, it never looks like the one on
the packet. So you blame yerself, the utensils, the oven settings &
so on. Must be that way because "they" did it right, didn't they?

Not counting the major fiddles in most photo-shoots, the retouched
photo's & hours spent actually making something the instructions tell
you takes 25-30 minutes in the centre of yer oven.

Same with video cards. Statistics, driver optimisations and many
other factors can make any almost piece of garbage perform like the
best card on the planet.

The hardware manufacturers will use any trick in the book, and then
some not in the book, to sell their products. The benchmarking
programs may lean one way or another - depends on who kisses who's
ass.

Games houses want as many paying "bums on seats" as they can get - so
they'll be more likely to be honest about what works better. Either
that or they'll go down the toilet faster than you can say "lying
****bags".

There are too many variations of cards and more than one card design
path to choose from that everything will work well with everything
else. What's the bets that if there was no optimising done on any
kind of game, that some would work better on ATI and some on nVidia?
Without standardisation and, therefore, lack of choice because there
would only be one design path, that will never change.

Hmm... Can't get the thought of cake outta my head. Must eat. I go.

Gary

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It's quite early to say whether you should sell the 5900 Ultra, but now is
the best time, before eBay potentially fills up with them.

The Crucial 9800Pro is almost a giveaway, but I'm sure that the proceeds of
your sale would easily give you access to the best 9800Pro cards on the
market.

In short, sell the *******.

my boss just bought the saphire 9800np for $249.95 from newegg. he
wanted me to immediately flash it to a pro bios. it worked like a
charm and runs fast as hell.

"Lenny" wrote:


and now Gabe Newell of
Valve is telling how the Radeon 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck
when running HL2.

Because it IS best bang for the buck. Hello McFly, anybody home?! Check
performance of available DX9 cards. Check prices of same cards.

I love that line. I should rent Back to the Future trilogy one of these
days. "I hate manure!"

"Gary Sinnott" wrote in message

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:12:24 -0400, "who be dat?"
wrote:

Don't forget about ATi's trade up program, it's at:

http://www.ati.com/buy/traderebate/tradeup.html

Looks like a pretty good deal. Wish I known about this when I
ditched my Nvidia Ti4600 and got my 9800 Pro. No big deal though,
it was money well spent.

Chris Smith


Looks interesting for anyone living on the North American continent.
Otherwise, the rest of us can all go get f****d. Damn. They all do
it to us. Except when I mailed in my Creative rebate vouchers in the
UK offer. They just ignored that one although the offer was open
here.

Gary

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Hold it a second. I just read their offer and those prices are very
close to wiat I pay for the same items retail here in Houston. So, I'm
going to just GIVE ATI my used video card? Their prices show me no
discount.
McG.

Listen, Lenny. I'll explain it slow so you can understand. The bundling
deal was for "millions".
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11419

Maybe the 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck right now but why is Valve
spouting this? Why? Because they were paid to do so, that's why.

Dave


"Lenny" wrote in message
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Because Valve was paid millions of dollars by ATI

"Millions"? Why would they be paid "millions"?

I expect ATI to pay Valve some money for the copies of HL2 they'll bundle
with their RV360 cards they'll introduce later on, but I doubt that'll
amount to "millions" of $. For starters, high-end cards do not sell in
very
large amounts.

and now Gabe Newell of
Valve is telling how the Radeon 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck
when
running HL2.

Because it IS best bang for the buck. Hello McFly, anybody home?! Check
performance of available DX9 cards. Check prices of same cards.

Anyone but an IDIOT would come up with different results.

Valve is in no way ATI's bitch or anything like that, only an irate,
irrational, illogical Nvidia fanboy would come up with a moronic idea like
that. NV3x DX9 performance sucks. Valve obviously likes things that do not
suck, hence their endorsement of ATI. Get over it already you silly
person.

"DaveL" wrote in message
...
Listen, Lenny. I'll explain it slow so you can understand. The bundling
deal was for "millions".
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11419

Maybe the 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck right now but why is
Valve
spouting this? Why? Because they were paid to do so, that's why.

Dave



Children have no grasp of finances and the lengths to which Adults will go
to secure them.

Listen, Lenny. I'll explain it slow so you can understand. The bundling
deal was for "millions".
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11419

Jesus christ man, I can't believe you're throwing an inquirer quote at me as
if that was the truth. They're not exactly the online equivalent of Times
Magazine you know!

They don't offer any evidence, they mention no names and in fact don't even
claim it is truth; they just tell of a RUMOR of this auction, like, my
brother's girlfriend's third cousin's hairdresser had a customer who said
she saw Elvis down at the mall... So before you accuse me of being slow,
pull your head out of your ass please and stop being so goddamn gullible
okay?

Again: what you offer is just a RUMOR, come back when you got PROOF.

In other words, put up, or SHUT UP.

Maybe the 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck right now but why is
Valve
spouting this? Why? Because they were paid to do so, that's why.

I'll quote myself: "Because it IS best bang for the buck. Hello McFly,
anybody home?! Check performance of available DX9 cards. Check prices of
same cards."

Divide framerate by cost of graphics card, you'll see the 9600 Pro is the
one that gives best bang for buck, you fool. You don't need no
million-dollar bribe (of which you have no evidence anyway) to see ATi wins
here. Just run the benchmark and then go to pricewatch.com. Geez! Some
people...!

If you're going to be such an ass about this, I can only conclude you're an
irate Nvidia fanboy who for religious reasons can't accept his beloved
company simply made an inferior product and is blinded by HATE when he keeps
trying to refute the obvious, which is that ATi simply has better
price/performance in this game.

Grow up you child.

"Lenny" wrote in message
...

Listen, Lenny. I'll explain it slow so you can understand. The
bundling
deal was for "millions".
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11419

Jesus christ man, I can't believe you're throwing an inquirer quote at me
as
if that was the truth. They're not exactly the online equivalent of Times
Magazine you know!

They don't offer any evidence, they mention no names and in fact don't
even
claim it is truth; they just tell of a RUMOR of this auction, like, my
brother's girlfriend's third cousin's hairdresser had a customer who said
she saw Elvis down at the mall... So before you accuse me of being slow,
pull your head out of your ass please and stop being so goddamn gullible
okay?

Again: what you offer is just a RUMOR, come back when you got PROOF.

In other words, put up, or SHUT UP.

Maybe the 9600 Pro is the best bang for the buck right now but why is
Valve
spouting this? Why? Because they were paid to do so, that's why.

I'll quote myself: "Because it IS best bang for the buck. Hello McFly,
anybody home?! Check performance of available DX9 cards. Check prices of
same cards."

Divide framerate by cost of graphics card, you'll see the 9600 Pro is the
one that gives best bang for buck, you fool. You don't need no
million-dollar bribe (of which you have no evidence anyway) to see ATi
wins
here. Just run the benchmark and then go to pricewatch.com. Geez! Some
people...!

If you're going to be such an ass about this, I can only conclude you're
an
irate Nvidia fanboy who for religious reasons can't accept his beloved
company simply made an inferior product and is blinded by HATE when he
keeps
trying to refute the obvious, which is that ATi simply has better
price/performance in this game.

Grow up you child.



Hear hear, Lenny. I've been an Nvidia card owner all through my pc-owning
life, and even I admit that Ati simply have the best card solutions right
now. My 128mb GeForce4 ti4200 will suffice me for the next year or so, but
if I had the money, I would certainly fork out for a Radeon 9800 Pro, no
question. And, with the benefit of hindsight, perhaps should have bought a
9600 in the meantime. Sure, this is an Nvidia-related newsgroup, but surely
we are fans of videocards in general; it's just silly to keep defending the
FX range to the hilt when there's clearly some concerns with them.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:23:00 +1200, "k y l e" wrote:

Hear hear, Lenny. I've been an Nvidia card owner all through my pc-owning
life, and even I admit that Ati simply have the best card solutions right
now. My 128mb GeForce4 ti4200 will suffice me for the next year or so, but
if I had the money, I would certainly fork out for a Radeon 9800 Pro, no
question. And, with the benefit of hindsight, perhaps should have bought a
9600 in the meantime. Sure, this is an Nvidia-related newsgroup, but surely
we are fans of videocards in general; it's just silly to keep defending the
FX range to the hilt when there's clearly some concerns with them.


Well said

I've been using nVidia chipsets for some years now. My thoughts are
heading ATIwards now. If nVidia can come up with the goods without
resorting to massaging figures & making drivers that fix specific
screw-ups, then I might consider sticking with them.

ATI seem to be doing better and not fiddling things - this gives cause
for concerns with nVidia's complacency at the top of the tree. It's a
long way to fall if the branch breaks and it's sure as hell gonna hurt
when (if) they hit bottom.

Gary

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