Correct angle for keyboard

"Don Freeman" freemand sonic.net wrote:

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WindsorFox wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

Wrong with electric typewriters.

Incorrect.

Nope.

Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.

Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.

A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard

Wrong again.

and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
not make much difference in *most* people.

You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
equipment.

You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific claim
about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'

2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.

2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair
height.

I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my
lap.

Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.

On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

WindsorFox wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote
Archie wrote

Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope
of a regular keyboard? One web page says this:

------------------ BEGIN QUOTE -----------------
"angle of the keyboard relative to the angle of the wrist. Most
keyboards slope upwards from front to back, and this means that
users bend their hands upwards when they are typing on the
keyboard. This posture is called wrist extension, and we know that
it is a source of injury risk for the wrist. Once the hand is
extended beyond about a 15° upward angle, there is a very
significant increase in the compression on the median nerve and
other structures inside the wrist. So it is extremely important to
type with the hands as flat as possible.

From http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/AHTutorials/ckd.htm
------------------ END QUOTE --------------------

Which I interpret as being zero to 15 degrees. But my Compaq
keyboard permits either:

(1) flat or maybe 5 degrees
(2) about 30 to 35 degrees.

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

You mean those designed in 1968 before the affliction known as Carple tunnel syndrome
had a name?

Nope, also the ones designed after that too.

Good comparison.

Pathetic excuse for bull**** in your case.

WindsorFox wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Osiris wrote

ISO has standards,

Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.

ISO 9241-4

Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

"General design includes items such as: palm rests; the visible
surfaces of the keytops; the SLOPE of the keyboard and keyboard SLOPE
ADJUSTMENT."

Like I said, doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

So if you have a book or .pdf that shows the full and actual wording of ISO 9241-4 would
you be so kind as to quote it....

He's the one that made that claim.

He gets to do that quoting.

Thats how it works.

plse READ before comment

Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.

Real mature.

Clearly wouldnt know what maturity was if it bit it on its lard arse.

Don Freeman wrote:
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John Doe wrote:
Troll


Heh, I am beginning to wonder, although I *have* seen a couple of
correct and proper answers from said person.


Which is more then you'll ever see from "John Doe", whom I killfiled long
ago and only see his messages when others respond to them.
It's quite ironically humorous when he accuses someone else of trolling,
useless twit that he is.



Agreed. Perhaps I'll filter both....

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You keep ignoring all those typewriters over more than a century now.

It occurs that if some of your answers are to have any credibility you should provide
some insight into your reply beyond "nope" or "wrong."

I did that, most obviously with the mention of typewriters thanks.



No I didn't forget, they can cause CTS as easily as a puter KB. I
work with someone who has it.

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Rod Speed wrote:
WindsorFox wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
kony wrote

1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
can't type and need to see the keys best.

Bull****. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

Wrong with electric typewriters.

Incorrect.

Nope..

Repeating over and over doesn't make it true. See below.


Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.

Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.

A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard

Wrong again.

No, I am not wrong, I worked for 18 years along side the typewriter
repair person for $dayjob and have seen and used the current models of
typewriters that are still available. The keyboards are as flat as a
computer keyboard.


and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
not make much difference in *most* people.

You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
equipment.

You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific claim
about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'


I worked that out right before you claimed that it was incorrect for
electric typewriters. You are still wrong on that point as I personally
own an electric typewriter that is entirely mechanical in nature yet
electrically powered.


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One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

Rod Speed wrote:

Good comparison.

Pathetic excuse for bull**** in your case.



At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you
answer any more viable than it was at first.

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Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

Rod Speed wrote:
WindsorFox wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Osiris wrote

ISO has standards,

Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.

ISO 9241-4

Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

"General design includes items such as: palm rests; the visible
surfaces of the keytops; the SLOPE of the keyboard and keyboard SLOPE
ADJUSTMENT."

Like I said, doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

So if you have a book or .pdf that shows the full and actual wording of ISO 9241-4 would
you be so kind as to quote it....

He's the one that made that claim.

He gets to do that quoting.

Thats how it works.


But you are the one claiming that it does not provide for a specific
angle, which in the foreword it alludes that it does. If you know this
for a fact then you must have a copy of the ISO so by all means share
it. If you do not have a copy of the ISO then you are emitting verbiage
from your hind orifice and don't know anymore about what precisely it
says than any of the rest of us.


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One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

WindsorFox wrote:

You keep ignoring all those typewriters over more than a century now.

It occurs that if some of your answers are to have any credibility you should provide
some insight into your reply beyond "nope" or "wrong."

I did that, most obviously with the mention of typewriters thanks.

No I didn't forget, they can cause CTS as easily as a puter KB. I work with someone who
has it.

You dont know that that individual would not have got it with a no slope keyboard.