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13x19 borderless on Canon s9000 and 13" high six-sheets long banners on Canon i9100?
Been testing some older wide-bed printers recently, mixing and matching
drivers and capabilities. Plus, I have no desire to make the ink-mafia/cartel wealthier by buying newer printers that can't be refilled easily and paying more than the price of platinum for a few drops of their precious inks. I don't support scam-artists nor pay any attention to their brain-dead and easily conned minions. Aside that, back to the issue at hand. I found out that the Canon s9000 printer can use the driver from Canon's i9100 printer. The s9000 printer driver only allows for borderless printing on these paper sizes: A4 A3 Letter (8.5"x11") 4x6 But the i9100 printer driver allows for borderless printing on these paper sizes: A4 A3 Letter 11x17 13x19 4x6 5x7 While I've not tested the 13x19 borderless on the s9000 printer when using the i9100 drivers with it (no paper to test it), the s9000 printer does borderless 11x17 just fine using the i9100 drivers. I presume the 13x19 and 5x7 will work just as good too on the s9000 printer. The s9000 printer driver is only supposed to do 2400x1200 resolution, but the i9100 printer driver is supposed to do 4800x1200. While I can't confirm it visually, there's a good chance that the s9000 printer will be able to print at 4800 dpi resolution with the i9100 drivers. Both printers use the very same print-head after all and this is just a paper-feed issue. I think you have to turn on the "Image Optimizer" or the "Photo Optimizer Pro" in the i9100 printer driver to engage the 4800 dpi mode. I'm not sure what triggers 4800 dpi. Can anyone confirm what settings use 4800 dpi on their i9100? I only know that one time the print speed on the s9000 became much slower when using the i9100 printer drivers. I presume it was engaging the 4800 dpi mode from some paper-type or photo enhancement option I was testing at the time. Now, considering that the s9000 can use the i9100 printer drivers for extended borderless printing modes and probably higher resolution, it seems safe to say that all those disheartened i9100 owners who lamented over not having banner printing modes in their printers for lengthy high-quality panoramas can just use the s9000 printer drivers to obtain that on their i9100 printer. The s9000 driver claims you can only print in a 6-page banner mode using plain paper in 8.5x11" size of sheets. But when I select the banner mode on the s9000 driver it also lets me select the 13x19" paper size. Will it allow for SIX 13x19" sheets worth of banner for a panorama? Someone with an i9100 test the s9000 drivers and let us know. I only have an s9000 to test this all on and I don't care to be wasting my 11x17" photo paper cut to 13"-widths and taping it all together. Someone with an i9100 will have to test the banner-mode on theirs. Even though you have to select plain paper for banner mode with the s9000 drivers you're still allowed to go into custom print options to set the printing mode to highest quality, which is the same as highest photo resolution. The only caveat will be that (from what I understand) it won't use the photo-colors when using plain paper mode. It will limit the color matrix to just CMYK, no photo-cyan and photo-magenta on your panoramas. Though with a possible breathtaking panorama 13" high and 114" (9.5 ft.) long I don't think anyone will notice a few coarser hue transitions when standing back far enough to admire it all. I'm guessing on that maximum size. The s9000 driver is supposed to only do six 8.5"x11" sheets worth of panorama. If it's still limited to the max length of 11" x 6, with a 13" wide paper, that's still an impressive 13"x66" (5.5 ft) pano. The only incongruity between the s9000 and i9100 drivers so far seems to be the ink-status monitor. You can't use the one from the i9100 driver to read the ink levels in the s9000 printer. I presume the converse will also be true. I even went into the Advanced Print Processor options and tried to use the s9000 Print Processor with the i9100 driver but trying the i9100 status-monitor on the s9000 printer was still a no-go. That's really no concern of mine as I've also been testing CIS set-ups which are working great. Ink-levels (and ignorant measelykite's OEM trollings) be damned, I care not. Other than that, all functionality of both printers may be had in both printers just by installing and using the respective drivers with either printer. Or so I presume. Someone with an i9100 will have to test the s9000 driver compatibility to be certain. The s9000 printer with i9100 drivers does work great though. If you are the lucky owner of either printer enjoy your new found capabilities in each. Extra borderless sizes, more print enhancement features, higher(?) resolution in the s9000; and 13"-high six-page banner printing in the i9100 (probably). Go to Canon and start downloading the optional alternate driver to get more printer features to play with, for free. Tested on WinXP SP3. p.s. The s9000 printer with either driver does some fantastic photo prints. |
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13x19 borderless on Canon s9000 and 13" high six-sheets long banners on Canon i9100?
explorer was inspired to say
Been testing some older wide-bed printers recently, mixing and matching drivers and capabilities. Plus, I have no desire to make the ink-mafia/cartel wealthier by buying newer printers that can't be refilled easily and paying more than the price of platinum for a few drops of their precious inks. I don't support scam-artists nor pay any attention to their brain-dead and easily conned minions. Aside that, back to the issue at hand. I found out that the Canon s9000 printer can use the driver from Canon's i9100 printer. The s9000 driver claims you can only print in a 6-page banner mode using plain paper in 8.5x11" size of sheets. But when I select the banner mode on the s9000 driver it also lets me select the 13x19" paper size. Will it allow for SIX 13x19" sheets worth of banner for a panorama? Someone with an i9100 test the s9000 drivers and let us know. I only have an s9000 to test this all on and I don't care to be wasting my 11x17" photo paper cut to 13"-widths and taping it all together. Someone with an i9100 will have to test the banner-mode on theirs. Even though you have to select plain paper for banner mode with the s9000 drivers you're still allowed to go into custom print options to set the printing mode to highest quality, which is the same as highest photo resolution. The only caveat will be that (from what I understand) it won't use the photo-colors when using plain paper mode. It will limit the color matrix to just CMYK, no photo-cyan and photo-magenta on your panoramas. Though with a possible breathtaking panorama 13" high and 114" (9.5 ft.) long I don't think anyone will notice a few coarser hue transitions when standing back far enough to admire it all. I'm guessing on that maximum size. The s9000 driver is supposed to only do six 8.5"x11" sheets worth of panorama. If it's still limited to the max length of 11" x 6, with a 13" wide paper, that's still an impressive 13"x66" (5.5 ft) pano. I've used an S9000 for 7 years (since May 2002) and am still very happy with it. There is (if I am right) one serious problem with your statements above regarding banner/panorama printing. On a Win 98SE m/c I could get fantastic panoramas - up to 8ft long (say 8 x A4 long) the limit seemed to the computer memory - they were *very* big files) using Q-print. Having moved over to a WIN XP Pro machine, I have been trying to replicate this and on every one the maximum image size I can print has been 24" (600mm). A web search indicated that Canon's 98SE drivers permitted the panoramic printing, but this was withdrawn for the XP drivers. So I have reservations whether the i9100 drivers permit hi-quality printing (as opposed to simple plain paper) banner printing. If you find otherwise, I shall be very interested. Thanks for your comments Mike -- Michael J Davis Now with added pictures on http://www.flickr.com/photos/watchman The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera. Dorethea Lange |
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13x19 borderless on Canon s9000 and 13" high six-sheets long banners on Canon i9100?
On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:49:11 +0100, Michael J Davis
wrote: I've used an S9000 for 7 years (since May 2002) and am still very happy with it. There is (if I am right) one serious problem with your statements above regarding banner/panorama printing. On a Win 98SE m/c I could get fantastic panoramas - up to 8ft long (say 8 x A4 long) the limit seemed to the computer memory - they were *very* big files) using Q-print. Having moved over to a WIN XP Pro machine, I have been trying to replicate this and on every one the maximum image size I can print has been 24" (600mm). A web search indicated that Canon's 98SE drivers permitted the panoramic printing, but this was withdrawn for the XP drivers. So I have reservations whether the i9100 drivers permit hi-quality printing (as opposed to simple plain paper) banner printing. If you find otherwise, I shall be very interested. Thanks for the info on that Win98 s9000 driver. Downloading it now to keep all bases covered. And thanks very much for the clarification and correction. Not having actually tested the banner-pano mode on it I wrongly assumed that the XP s9000 drivers would do as they claim in the interface. So from what you are saying there will be no gain to XP i9100 owners trying out the s9000 drivers to obtain banner-pano printing, unless they run Win98 and use the s9000 driver. I presume you are using the last s9000 XP drivers available. The file I downloaded is "s9000xp161usZ.exe". Version 1.61. Looking at their downloads just now I see that the Win 2000 driver is named slightly different, no "Z" on the end. Have you tried those for banner printing? It has the same version number. Win2000 drivers are often compatible with XP. I now wonder if I can trick my XP machine into installing those 98 drivers if needed. XP's compatibility mode has allowed for some strange things to install and work okay in the past. Sometimes you have to do this by booting up in "safe mode" first. Then install by tagging the setup file to 98 compatibility mode. All's well when you run the software normally. You can also sometimes extract the driver installer files to a folder then manually add a printer from those files. This sometimes overrides an installer's OS check and block. In really stealthy OS-check installers I've even gone into the temp files folders to find where the installer extracted everything to, save a copy of those files to manually install later, then close up the installer before it deleted its temp files. Should banner-pano printing become an important issue one day I'm sure I'll try some tactics like this. Luckily I keep an old laptop around with Win98 on it for those times when I need some backward compatibility. I used to run a dual-boot machine (98 & XP) to always have the option at hand but haven't bothered to reconfigure when I bought a machine with XP already installed on it. Though memory might be the bottleneck on that machine, going by what you state. I have some old fan-fold paper laying around from my dot-matrix tractor-feed days. I really should test some of these banner modes. On the bright-side you get the advantage of being an s9000 owner. You can still get the extended borderless modes and the enhanced printing options (Photo Optimizer Pro and Photo Noise Reduction modes) from the XP i9100 driver. It's like getting the upgraded model for free or buying both printers for the price of one. Both drivers coexist peacefully on my machine. When printing I just select the one that will do what I need at the time. I have thought of one issue which might be of minor concern when using the extra i9100's borderless sizes on the s9000 printer. While not certain, but from reading information in online forums about how to firmware-reset and clean the waste-ink tank of these printers, I am led to believe that the i9100 printer is likely to have a hardware change on the waste-ink sponge that runs just beneath the print-head path. I may be wrong, but I think there are spots along that sponge where there are extra drains that run directly down to the waste-ink tank below, where each borderless edge is over-sprayed. Those extra direct-feeds to the waste-ink tank probably don't exist on the s9000 printer for the 5", 11" and 13" borderless widths. I don't think this well be a major issue on the s9000 printer unless you do massive quantities of prints at those extra borderless sizes. Should ink-buildup become an issue at those locations on the sponge it just means a little extra cleaning now and then or flushing those spots with a little drizzle of water to make the ink run off to the existing drains and into the tank below. A trade-off I'm more than content to live with IF this will even be an issue, but something to keep in mind should it ever happen. I really should test the 5" and 13" borderless sizes on the s9000 to be 100% certain. Again I am assuming that if the 11" borderless worked on the s9000 then the other sizes will too. I think I need to cut/tape some paper and try. I really was looking for an i9100 printer at first for the 11" (and rarely the 13") borderless feature but could only find an s9000 at the time at a price I was willing to pay. This is what led me to try the i9100 drivers with it. I'm glad now that I didn't get any of the (always more costly) i9100's that were available or I wouldn't have discovered this. I also like to occasionally print my own patterned papers for origami. Having these extra borderless sizes will be a nice advantage without a lot of mucking about in trimming everything. This s9000 was cheaper and came with an extra new, still sealed, print-head. I couldn't pass that up. A nearly new printer and extra print-head (plus many packs of papers) for less than the price of one new print-head alone. I'm thinking of using that extra print-head for piezography should that ever become available for these Canon printers, or use it for high-quality pigment inks. I've read enough to come to understand that the jet ports on these print-heads are likely large enough for high-quality pigment inks. I've just never cared for that really ugly metamerism that happens with pigment inks for photographs. Waterproof 13"x19" topographic maps and star-charts, however, would be a huge plus where that ugly metamerism wouldn't even be a concern. Speaking of piezography, just how difficult would it be to write my own macro for my graphic editor to divide-up the various color layers into the required gray tones for each ink-tank? It's probably much simpler than most people make it out to be. I bet it doesn't even require any special printer drivers for specific printers. It's done all the time in the editor when using the channel-mixer for b&w conversions. The author of my favorite graphics editor is always looking for new features to implement. He is also always lightning fast on implementing them every time I suggest a new feature for him to add. I might approach him on this. He might include piezography printing right in his editor channel-mixer's options. No longer would that technique be available for just a few select (unwanted clogging Epson) printers. All printers could then do it with the click of an option button and a swap-out of inks. |
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13x19 borderless on Canon s9000 and 13" high six-sheets long banners on Canon i9100?
On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:49:11 +0100, Michael J Davis
wrote: I've used an S9000 for 7 years (since May 2002) and am still very happy with it. There is (if I am right) one serious problem with your statements above regarding banner/panorama printing. On a Win 98SE m/c I could get fantastic panoramas - up to 8ft long (say 8 x A4 long) the limit seemed to the computer memory - they were *very* big files) using Q-print. Having moved over to a WIN XP Pro machine, I have been trying to replicate this and on every one the maximum image size I can print has been 24" (600mm). A web search indicated that Canon's 98SE drivers permitted the panoramic printing, but this was withdrawn for the XP drivers. So I have reservations whether the i9100 drivers permit hi-quality printing (as opposed to simple plain paper) banner printing. If you find otherwise, I shall be very interested. Thanks for your comments Quick Update: Well, this is odd. Follow along ... I tried to install the Win98 drivers on XP. S9000 Ver.7.31. No go using the installer's setup.exe. Said it wouldn't work on XP. Then I made the setup.exe Win98 compatible. (Right click on setup.exe, properties, compatibility, etc.) It opened and tried to install but then closed up when I went to actually install it. So I went to manually add a printer by pointing it to the folder where the driver files were extracted to. I chose the "CJUS9000.INF" file, presuming the US in the filename referred to the english version or something. The other file being named "CJRS9000.INF". It only asked if I wanted to replace the old driver. I chose "no". It made a duplicate "Canon s9000 (copy 1)" driver which I later renamed to Canon s9000 Win98. I tried banner printing using that Win98 driver on my XP machine. I made a simple, large font, test-text banner about 12 pages long on 8.5" x 11" fan-fold tractor-feed paper (tractor strips removed). It printed out just fine. Though there was a problem in my application that I used to print it. I got some duplication of the image (large font text) at the page-break boundaries. I would need to fix that by changing to some custom paper size to get rid of the bottom margin in my application that I used, or use a different application that was more banner friendly. I'm sure that other programs that have a banner-mode in them would work just fine. The printer also had many false-starts with improper paper-feed when using such thin and old paper. Feels like old soft newsprint paper, it's so old and soft it could be used for TP in an emergency. But by pulling it out of the printer, turning it over, trying a few times and pressing the resume button each time, it would eventually feed. The Win98 status-monitor also works, because when I went to print it told me I had to move the paper-thickness selector to the right (for envelopes). I didn't bother. The status monitor was spying on my activities and showed me that I didn't flip that lever, so I HAD TO DO THAT. I reluctantly obeyed a machine's advice. Then it went to print. Then I tried using the original s9000 v1.61 XP driver. It too printed out a banner 12 pages long (11 ft.). I should have tried all this before installing the Win98 driver, as I now don't know if it would have worked just fine with the original s9000 driver for XP or if I needed something from the Win98 driver that overwrote something. In any case, banners work just fine on XP here. And can be printed out much much longer than any documentation or driver interface claim. Does anyone have about 200 ft. of Pro Photo Ultra-glossy 13" wide roll paper that they want to donate for testing purposes? :-) 13" high 20 ft. long panoramas anyone? This s9000 (or i9100) printer just might be the ultimate printer for anyone to ever own. Add a continuous-ink-system and you're all set. Try installing the Win98 driver on XP as I did. See if that fixes your problem. Or it might just be that the latest s9000 v1.61 XP driver works this way. It looks like XP i9100 owners might also be back in the banner-pano business after-all, if they too try the s9000 drivers. |
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13x19 borderless on Canon s9000 and 13" high six-sheets long banners on Canon i9100?
[Excuse top-post] Just got in after a few days away and seen your two posts. Wow! That is interesting!! Thanks for your investigation! Can you e-mail me directly (the e-mail 'reply to' works!) and we'll take this detailed discussion off-line - but will post final conclusions here, if anyone else is interested!! I need a few days to check it all out, though - BUT I do have 10M of 13" wide roll paper! Mike explorer Was inspired to say On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:49:11 +0100, Michael J Davis wrote: I've used an S9000 for 7 years (since May 2002) and am still very happy with it. There is (if I am right) one serious problem with your statements above regarding banner/panorama printing. On a Win 98SE m/c I could get fantastic panoramas - up to 8ft long (say 8 x A4 long) the limit seemed to the computer memory - they were *very* big files) using Q-print. Having moved over to a WIN XP Pro machine, I have been trying to replicate this and on every one the maximum image size I can print has been 24" (600mm). A web search indicated that Canon's 98SE drivers permitted the panoramic printing, but this was withdrawn for the XP drivers. So I have reservations whether the i9100 drivers permit hi-quality printing (as opposed to simple plain paper) banner printing. If you find otherwise, I shall be very interested. Thanks for your comments Quick Update: Well, this is odd. Follow along ... I tried to install the Win98 drivers on XP. S9000 Ver.7.31. No go using the installer's setup.exe. Said it wouldn't work on XP. Then I made the setup.exe Win98 compatible. (Right click on setup.exe, properties, compatibility, etc.) It opened and tried to install but then closed up when I went to actually install it. So I went to manually add a printer by pointing it to the folder where the driver files were extracted to. I chose the "CJUS9000.INF" file, presuming the US in the filename referred to the english version or something. The other file being named "CJRS9000.INF". It only asked if I wanted to replace the old driver. I chose "no". It made a duplicate "Canon s9000 (copy 1)" driver which I later renamed to Canon s9000 Win98. I tried banner printing using that Win98 driver on my XP machine. I made a simple, large font, test-text banner about 12 pages long on 8.5" x 11" fan-fold tractor-feed paper (tractor strips removed). It printed out just fine. Though there was a problem in my application that I used to print it. I got some duplication of the image (large font text) at the page-break boundaries. I would need to fix that by changing to some custom paper size to get rid of the bottom margin in my application that I used, or use a different application that was more banner friendly. I'm sure that other programs that have a banner-mode in them would work just fine. The printer also had many false-starts with improper paper-feed when using such thin and old paper. Feels like old soft newsprint paper, it's so old and soft it could be used for TP in an emergency. But by pulling it out of the printer, turning it over, trying a few times and pressing the resume button each time, it would eventually feed. The Win98 status-monitor also works, because when I went to print it told me I had to move the paper-thickness selector to the right (for envelopes). I didn't bother. The status monitor was spying on my activities and showed me that I didn't flip that lever, so I HAD TO DO THAT. I reluctantly obeyed a machine's advice. Then it went to print. Then I tried using the original s9000 v1.61 XP driver. It too printed out a banner 12 pages long (11 ft.). I should have tried all this before installing the Win98 driver, as I now don't know if it would have worked just fine with the original s9000 driver for XP or if I needed something from the Win98 driver that overwrote something. In any case, banners work just fine on XP here. And can be printed out much much longer than any documentation or driver interface claim. Does anyone have about 200 ft. of Pro Photo Ultra-glossy 13" wide roll paper that they want to donate for testing purposes? :-) 13" high 20 ft. long panoramas anyone? This s9000 (or i9100) printer just might be the ultimate printer for anyone to ever own. Add a continuous-ink-system and you're all set. Try installing the Win98 driver on XP as I did. See if that fixes your problem. Or it might just be that the latest s9000 v1.61 XP driver works this way. It looks like XP i9100 owners might also be back in the banner-pano business after-all, if they too try the s9000 drivers. Mike -- Michael J Davis Please note that the Reply-To: address will remain in use for at least 30 days, but the sender and from addresses are not valid. |
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