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PC Medic wrote: "Shooter" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: Marc - you might be interested in going onto the forum at http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and also clicking the Neil Slade link at the top of the nifty-stuff home page. Good info about printer maintenance, ink, paper, etc. The information is informative but it is slanted and heavily skewed toward AfterMarket inks by hobbists who use and promote that kind of stuff; including fotofreak. The majority of printer users who happen to use OEM ink in their printer usually do not frequent those sites or this NG and have far less problems than those you read about here. "MarcD" wrote in message news:u1Kne.13$Cr.1@fed1read07... I tried solvents, new black cartridges, air blasts, and even contacted Canon. Their stupid answer was make sure the cartridge has ink. It was buy a new print head or a new printer...WRONG...a pot with 1 inch of very hot water cleared the clogged print head in a couple of minutes. It was amazing how fast that water turned solid black. A couple of swishes, a little air blast, and that sucker works perfect. "measekite" wrote in message om... Now that is complete ******** from start to finish. OEM inks clog in exactly the same way as third party ink., Infact some third party makers add a slightly higher volume of cleaner in their carts to help prevent clogging. Well now that's interesting. Suddenly the 3rd party manufacture knows what is better for the printhead than the OEM so tosses some solvent into there mix. Absolutely Yep, perfect example why NOT to buy that vendors ink solution. Right On The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper, you suppose this 'higher volume of cleaner' may change the boiling point of the solution? You suppose this may effect print quality? You suppose this could lead to premature head failure? The Wanabees do not think like that. Now are you saying things that these people consider sac religious. |
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Ivor Floppy wrote: "PC Medic" wrote in message news:rvioe.84731$yV4.79431@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: Marc - you might be interested in going onto the forum at http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and also clicking the Neil Slade link at the top of the nifty-stuff home page. Good info about printer maintenance, ink, paper, etc. The information is informative but it is slanted and heavily skewed toward AfterMarket inks by hobbists who use and promote that kind of stuff; including fotofreak. The majority of printer users who happen to use OEM ink in their printer usually do not frequent those sites or this NG and have far less problems than those you read about here. "MarcD" wrote in message news:u1Kne.13$Cr.1@fed1read07... I tried solvents, new black cartridges, air blasts, and even contacted Canon. Their stupid answer was make sure the cartridge has ink. It was buy a new print head or a new printer...WRONG...a pot with 1 inch of very hot water cleared the clogged print head in a couple of minutes. It was amazing how fast that water turned solid black. A couple of swishes, a little air blast, and that sucker works perfect. "measekite" wrote in message . com... Now that is complete ******** from start to finish. OEM inks clog in exactly the same way as third party ink., Infact some third party makers add a slightly higher volume of cleaner in their carts to help prevent clogging. Well now that's interesting. Suddenly the 3rd party manufacture knows what is better for the printhead than the OEM so tosses some solvent into there mix. Yep, perfect example why NOT to buy that vendors ink solution. The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper, Except that Epson printers don't boil the ink.... you suppose this 'higher volume of cleaner' may change the boiling point of the solution? You suppose this may effect print quality? You suppose this could lead to premature head failure? Does it really matter? Printers are designed to be throw away items these days - much over the warranteed period seems to be a bonus. Why not save youself some money...? This is bull****. My HP has been out of warranty for 3 years and is still going strong. Of course I use OEM ink. |
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Absolute Rubbish, nothing but the spread of alarm. I have been using this
ink now for three years with a CIS. Does it alter the colour and quality, it certainly does by an increase of around 50%. to qualify, no bronzing with semi gloss or full gloss paper, no clogs, colour so vibrant that you would think the photo's were taken with say a Nikon F4 and processed in a pro lab. If this is what the printer now produces I will take the very slight chance of a head burnout. With regards to tossing solvent into the heads, what do you think happens when you use cleaning carts and please don't use the excuse that cleaning carts are only used now and again, don't forget cleaning carts are pure cleaner irrespetfic of the formula used. "PC Medic" wrote in message news:rvioe.84731$yV4.79431@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: Marc - you might be interested in going onto the forum at http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and also clicking the Neil Slade link at the top of the nifty-stuff home page. Good info about printer maintenance, ink, paper, etc. The information is informative but it is slanted and heavily skewed toward AfterMarket inks by hobbists who use and promote that kind of stuff; including fotofreak. The majority of printer users who happen to use OEM ink in their printer usually do not frequent those sites or this NG and have far less problems than those you read about here. "MarcD" wrote in message news:u1Kne.13$Cr.1@fed1read07... I tried solvents, new black cartridges, air blasts, and even contacted Canon. Their stupid answer was make sure the cartridge has ink. It was buy a new print head or a new printer...WRONG...a pot with 1 inch of very hot water cleared the clogged print head in a couple of minutes. It was amazing how fast that water turned solid black. A couple of swishes, a little air blast, and that sucker works perfect. "measekite" wrote in message ... Now that is complete ******** from start to finish. OEM inks clog in exactly the same way as third party ink., Infact some third party makers add a slightly higher volume of cleaner in their carts to help prevent clogging. Well now that's interesting. Suddenly the 3rd party manufacture knows what is better for the printhead than the OEM so tosses some solvent into there mix. Yep, perfect example why NOT to buy that vendors ink solution. The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper, you suppose this 'higher volume of cleaner' may change the boiling point of the solution? You suppose this may effect print quality? You suppose this could lead to premature head failure? |
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"Ivor Floppy" wrote in message ... "PC Medic" wrote in message news:rvioe.84731$yV4.79431@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: Marc - you might be interested in going onto the forum at http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and also clicking the Neil Slade link at the top of the nifty-stuff home page. Good info about printer maintenance, ink, paper, etc. The information is informative but it is slanted and heavily skewed toward AfterMarket inks by hobbists who use and promote that kind of stuff; including fotofreak. The majority of printer users who happen to use OEM ink in their printer usually do not frequent those sites or this NG and have far less problems than those you read about here. "MarcD" wrote in message news:u1Kne.13$Cr.1@fed1read07... I tried solvents, new black cartridges, air blasts, and even contacted Canon. Their stupid answer was make sure the cartridge has ink. It was buy a new print head or a new printer...WRONG...a pot with 1 inch of very hot water cleared the clogged print head in a couple of minutes. It was amazing how fast that water turned solid black. A couple of swishes, a little air blast, and that sucker works perfect. "measekite" wrote in message ... Now that is complete ******** from start to finish. OEM inks clog in exactly the same way as third party ink., Infact some third party makers add a slightly higher volume of cleaner in their carts to help prevent clogging. Well now that's interesting. Suddenly the 3rd party manufacture knows what is better for the printhead than the OEM so tosses some solvent into there mix. Yep, perfect example why NOT to buy that vendors ink solution. The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper, Except that Epson printers don't boil the ink.... Note the statement "The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper" in my original response. I am quite aware Epson uses a piezo-electric gate and never stated ALL use the heat process. you suppose this 'higher volume of cleaner' may change the boiling point of the solution? You suppose this may effect print quality? You suppose this could lead to premature head failure? Does it really matter? Printers are designed to be throw away items these days - much over the warranteed period seems to be a bonus. Why not save youself some money...? Perhaps your printer is designed to be throw-away, I prefer to continue using my printers LONG beyond the warranty period. |
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"Shooter" wrote in message ... Absolute Rubbish, nothing but the spread of alarm. I have been using this ink now for three years with a CIS. Does it alter the colour and quality, it certainly does by an increase of around 50%. to qualify, no bronzing with semi gloss or full gloss paper, no clogs, colour so vibrant that you would think the photo's were taken with say a Nikon F4 and processed in a pro lab. You're suggesting the after-market ink you use 'improves' your print quality by 50% over that of the OEM designed for your printer!? I find this quite unbelievable. While there may be some fair quality after-market inks out there, none that can claim this. If this is what the printer now produces I will take the very slight chance of a head burnout. With regards to tossing solvent into the heads, what do you think happens when you use cleaning carts and please don't use the excuse that cleaning carts are only used now and again, don't forget cleaning carts are pure cleaner irrespetfic of the formula used. And cleaning carts are *not* OEM any more than the after-market inks you push, or are they ever recommended by the manufacture (none I have ever dealt with any way). The cleaning carts I have see are also NOT "pure cleaner" and are usualy a diluted soulution of distilled water, amonia and alchohol. |
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PC Medic wrote: "Ivor Floppy" wrote in message ... "PC Medic" wrote in message news:rvioe.84731$yV4.79431@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Burt wrote: Marc - you might be interested in going onto the forum at http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and also clicking the Neil Slade link at the top of the nifty-stuff home page. Good info about printer maintenance, ink, paper, etc. The information is informative but it is slanted and heavily skewed toward AfterMarket inks by hobbists who use and promote that kind of stuff; including fotofreak. The majority of printer users who happen to use OEM ink in their printer usually do not frequent those sites or this NG and have far less problems than those you read about here. "MarcD" wrote in message news:u1Kne.13$Cr.1@fed1read07... I tried solvents, new black cartridges, air blasts, and even contacted Canon. Their stupid answer was make sure the cartridge has ink. It was buy a new print head or a new printer...WRONG...a pot with 1 inch of very hot water cleared the clogged print head in a couple of minutes. It was amazing how fast that water turned solid black. A couple of swishes, a little air blast, and that sucker works perfect. "measekite" wrote in message .com... Now that is complete ******** from start to finish. OEM inks clog in exactly the same way as third party ink., Infact some third party makers add a slightly higher volume of cleaner in their carts to help prevent clogging. Well now that's interesting. Suddenly the 3rd party manufacture knows what is better for the printhead than the OEM so tosses some solvent into there mix. Yep, perfect example why NOT to buy that vendors ink solution. The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper, Except that Epson printers don't boil the ink.... Note the statement "The majority of the printers use precise boiling point to deliver ink to paper" in my original response. I am quite aware Epson uses a piezo-electric gate and never stated ALL use the heat process. Sock it to em! you suppose this 'higher volume of cleaner' may change the boiling point of the solution? You suppose this may effect print quality? You suppose this could lead to premature head failure? Does it really matter? Printers are designed to be throw away items these days - much over the warranteed period seems to be a bonus. Why not save youself some money...? Perhaps your printer is designed to be throw-away, I prefer to continue using my printers LONG beyond the warranty period. Sock it to em again! |
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PC Medic wrote: "Shooter" wrote in message ... Absolute Rubbish, nothing but the spread of alarm. I have been using this ink now for three years with a CIS. Does it alter the colour and quality, it certainly does by an increase of around 50%. to qualify, no bronzing with semi gloss or full gloss paper, no clogs, colour so vibrant that you would think the photo's were taken with say a Nikon F4 and processed in a pro lab. You're suggesting the after-market ink you use 'improves' your print quality by 50% over that of the OEM designed for your printer!? I find this quite unbelievable. While there may be some fair quality after-market inks out there, none that can claim this. AMEN! If this is what the printer now produces I will take the very slight chance of a head burnout. With regards to tossing solvent into the heads, what do you think happens when you use cleaning carts and please don't use the excuse that cleaning carts are only used now and again, don't forget cleaning carts are pure cleaner irrespetfic of the formula used. And cleaning carts are *not* OEM any more than the after-market inks you push, or are they ever recommended by the manufacture (none I have ever dealt with any way). The cleaning carts I have see are also NOT "pure cleaner" and are usualy a diluted soulution of distilled water, amonia and alchohol. AT LAST SOMEONE ON THIS NG SAID SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. |
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"measekite" wrote in message ... (snip) Sock it to em! Measekite has been watching old laugh in reruns again. (snip) |
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"PC Medic" wrote in message news:Ytnoe.84748$yV4.19253@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Absolute Rubbish, nothing but the spread of alarm. I have been using this ink now for three years with a CIS. Does it alter the colour and quality, it certainly does by an increase of around 50%. to qualify, no bronzing with semi gloss or full gloss paper, no clogs, colour so vibrant that you would think the photo's were taken with say a Nikon F4 and processed in a pro lab. You're suggesting the after-market ink you use 'improves' your print quality by 50% over that of the OEM designed for your printer!? I find this quite unbelievable. While there may be some fair quality after-market inks out there, none that can claim this. If this is what the printer now produces I will take the very slight chance of a head burnout. With regards to tossing solvent into the heads, what do you think happens when you use cleaning carts and please don't use the excuse that cleaning carts are only used now and again, don't forget cleaning carts are pure cleaner irrespetfic of the formula used. And cleaning carts are *not* OEM any more than the after-market inks you push, or are they ever recommended by the manufacture (none I have ever dealt with any way). The cleaning carts I have see are also NOT "pure cleaner" and are usualy a diluted soulution of distilled water, amonia and alchohol. Which, from my experience, works quite well in Epson dye-based printers. Actually a mixture of Windex original formula (main components are water and alcohol with a hint of ammonia, a surfactant, and a splash of blue dye to make you think you bought something more than water and alcohol) and a bit of isopropyl alcohol clears the usual head clog that doesn't respond to the cleaning cycles. For specific proportions and more detailed instructions read Art Entlich's manual. I don't want to quote from his material as I may misquote it --- his technique tells how to clean the under surface of the print head without removal and clean the jets with cleaning cartridges. PC - To my knowledge, these are not the corrosive materials that you warned about in an earlier post. |
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Oh dear, another disbeliever, Let me say that 35% of that figure is down
to Bronzing, if of course you have any idea what that is, the rest is a mixture of colour, contrast, and the feel you get when you see prints of top quality. Now to your last paragraph, I do not push inks as you call it, I don't sell ink, so please stop the sly remarks. I do however try to help people with problems with printers, unlike yourself who pours cold water on everything discussed. Last but not least, when I talk about cleaning carts I refer to them as different to ink carts, Others as well as myself are very much aware of the chemical make up and that make up only clouds the subject discussed. Just to inform you that although diluted Ammonia may well work on some ink it will fail with others that's maybe because of mismatched pH value. If you get the wrong combination it would be better to fill the cleaning cart with ****. "PC Medic" wrote in message news:Ytnoe.84748$yV4.19253@okepread03... "Shooter" wrote in message ... Absolute Rubbish, nothing but the spread of alarm. I have been using this ink now for three years with a CIS. Does it alter the colour and quality, it certainly does by an increase of around 50%. to qualify, no bronzing with semi gloss or full gloss paper, no clogs, colour so vibrant that you would think the photo's were taken with say a Nikon F4 and processed in a pro lab. You're suggesting the after-market ink you use 'improves' your print quality by 50% over that of the OEM designed for your printer!? I find this quite unbelievable. While there may be some fair quality after-market inks out there, none that can claim this. If this is what the printer now produces I will take the very slight chance of a head burnout. With regards to tossing solvent into the heads, what do you think happens when you use cleaning carts and please don't use the excuse that cleaning carts are only used now and again, don't forget cleaning carts are pure cleaner irrespetfic of the formula used. And cleaning carts are *not* OEM any more than the after-market inks you push, or are they ever recommended by the manufacture (none I have ever dealt with any way). The cleaning carts I have see are also NOT "pure cleaner" and are usualy a diluted soulution of distilled water, amonia and alchohol. |
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