All printers stink

Arthur Entlich wrote:
Anyone who claims printers are better made today than 10 years ago is
living in a delusion.
Printers are much better today. You can print photo quality results
much faster than 10 years ago in 1998. Now you can rival the C wet lab
process and when using OEM ink the result will last as long or even
longer in many cases. The holee one is somewhat misguided in what he
says. He thinks he know it all but in this case just likes to hear
himself talk.

There was a reason they cost nearly 10x as much for the same basic
technologies back then.
Oh Yeak my $100 printer in 19987 cost $1000. He apparently is not too
good in math either.
They may be faster, and may have somewhat improved output,
That is what people call better.
but they are definitely made less reliable and break down much more
often and more easily.
My Canon printer has never had a problem in 6 years. I think you can
call it reliable. My HP is even a few years older with no problem.

Reliability is just not the design consideration. Parts are smaller
and thinner, made of lighter and less durable materials.

I can't speak for microwave ovens
but here he goes anyway
, mine is about 25 years old and works the way it did new, which is to
say, adequately. Again, newer models have more features, but also
have more parts to fail. Mine has no clock, no touch pressure
switches, uses a simple timer with a bell. The company probably is
long out of business. It came with a 5 year warranty, and has
continued to work without any repair for 5 times that time. I haven't
even needed to replace the bulb in it. It gets a lot of use, also.

It cost me $44 new and it looks like the day I bought it also. It
isn't pretty, it just works.

Art


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Al Bundy wrote:
On Jul 4, 1:37 pm, wrote:
What's up with printers these days? I've went through every brand and
they are all bad. No not the print quality, just the basic stuff.

I had a few nice printers in the mid 90s and ditched them for what I
thought would be improved printers. The main problems are the simplest
problems, to actually get the printer to feed paper through
consistently without jamming. The second issue is also basic: to get
ink to flow. This is ridiculous. Printer have two basic functions: to
feed paper and put ink on it. That's it! TWO things to do and they
can't even do this. This is 2008 hello!

People marvel at the speed of technology. I marvel at the digression
of technology in many areas. For instance Microwave ovens way back in
the 1980s would boil water in 45 seconds flat, even the cheapest
micros. Today I have one of the most powerful m ovens and the damn
thing takes well over two minutes to accomplish that feat. In 2008 we
are still driving gas guzzling cars. This is insane. We drive in is
35MPG cars today. **** in the 1970s there were 35mpg cars!! What's up
scientists and r&d people? Too many coffee breaks?

You're just wrong or you're playing with yourself.

First, your statements are too ambiguous to consider seriously.
Microwaves of the 80's often were 650 watts output or so. Now they are
1000-1100 or so and the input power is about the same so they are much
more efficient. It takes so many BTU's to boil a given amount of
water. You can put four cups or two pounds of water in a container and
measure the temperature rise in two minutes. Multiply that by 17.35
(guessing here) and you get the wattage output of that oven. It's all
very predictable and measurable. A 1000 watt oven boils much faster
than 650.

Printers are better and faster too. If you don't have the correct
paper or know how to take care of things, nothing will work for you. I
think that's where you're at. You are 25 years older and not 25 years
wiser than you were. Science has passed you by.

wrote:

On Jul 5, 1:41 am, Arthur Entlich wrote: You started off ok. Yeah, we are a landfill society, but that's just a symptom. The big reason for shotty quality is greed. Luckily we have the option to return these sick puppies. Store shelves are full of returned items and lineups at the return counter is long .. for a reason. Many products are better before than now. Printers are just one. By better I mean more reliable and long lasting and headache free. Scanners are another. Anyone who claims printers are 10 times more expensive 10 years ago is the one living in a delusion.

Yeah the holee one thinks he is so wonderful.  A big fat ego.






Parts are smaller and thinner, made of lighter and less durable materials.



Bingo! That's just it. Just spit it out, printers suck. No need to flip flop on the issue.



The m-wave cost me $44 new and it looks like the day I bought it also. It isn't pretty, it just works.



That pretty much sums up the opinion you should have about printers and scanners.

measher****head, the oem ink drinking idiot moron POS loser wrote:

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Aren't you the same fruitcake loser who was changing everyone's post who
disagreed with you over at the printer ng? That was you wasn't it, remember?
We all complained to your ISP and you eventually stopped doing it!

Also are you the stupid idiot piece of **** who capitalized each and
every word in ever post over at the printer ng until we all complained
once again to your ISP?
Remember?

Also are you not the dumb fukkin son of a bitch piece of **** who
continues to post in HTML even thought everyone in all of the ng's
you're in has complained about it and told you to stop doing it?
Remember

Are you not the asshole who did all of that? You were weren't you!

Would you like your ISP to get so many abuse complaints about you once
again that they think they're getting DDOS, huh?

Are you really as dense and as stupid and ignorant and as fukkin dumb as
you seem to be?
Are you?
You are aren't you!

And aren't you a declared austrian fascist, an atheist and a bigot?
You did proclaim to be all of those didn't you.

Take my advice measher****head, get fukkin lost you idiot moron piece of
**** loser!
Frank

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On Jul 5, 8:11*am, Michael Johnson wrote:
I don't have an issue with today's printers so I rarely use one.

Rephrased: "I don't have issues with something I rarely use .. which
renders anything I say about printers dead in the water. So what I say
is irrelevent, ignore me."

Typically, one needs to spend the right amount of money to get a printer
to serve the duty cycle they require. *If you expect a $99 laser printer
to be an economical workhorse then you are going to be disappointed. *As
for inkjets, we have five of them running in our house and they all are
very reliable and rarely need attention for anything. *I have a Canon
N2000 that is an absolute work horse and will print all day without a
hiccup.

I also went through a half dozen Canons - all of which were pathetic
with all kinds of issues. Maybe my standards are higher?

You just seem to want to complain about everything.

I'm actually optimistic .. if you knew me. Printers stink. That's the
issue. Do you say someone criticizing Hitler is pessimistic too?

Anyone that has
lived long enough can see the incredible improvements in automobiles in
ALL respects. *Today's cars are expected to go 200k miles with basic
maintenance and with no body rust through.

So did my 1980 chevy van.

*The new Camry hybrid gets 34
mpg in the city and on the highway. *It can carry 5-6 people in comfort..
* That old 35 mpg car you mentioned was a bucket of bolts that could
barely get out of its own way. *Plus, many of today's cars are getting
30+ mpg in city driving which wasn't possible in the good old days.
Maybe on the highway but not in the city.

You are easily pleased. If the first car was made what a 100 years
ago, shouldn't we be gliding to work virtually pollution free by now?
No? You are the pessimist.

I can cite many, many other advancements that have received great
benefits from technology advances.

So can I. Have I been talking about those??

Life is good for most of us in the developed countries and we should
appreciate it and not complain so much.

Yeah all the air pollution is just fine by me too.

On Jul 5, 8:29*am, Michael Johnson wrote:

When it comes to printers, you have probably forgotten more than I will
ever know.

Then how can anyone take you serious in a printers thread?

On Jul 5, 8:59*am, measekite wrote:

Printers are much better today. *You can print photo quality results
much faster than 10 years ago in 1998.

Check. But does this include down time? Nope.

*Now you can rival the C wet lab
process and when using OEM ink the result will last as long or even
longer in many cases. *The holee one is somewhat misguided in what he
says. *He thinks he know it all but in this case just likes to hear
himself talk.

I've tried dozens of printers by now. Geeze I don't know a thing. Try
again.

Oh Yeak my $100 printer in 19987 cost $1000. *He apparently is not too
good in math either. They may be faster, and may have somewhat improved output,

You can't buy a $1000 printer today? I can cherry pick too.

My Canon printer has never had a problem in 6 years.

You are f*cking stupid! I said today's printer are worse than those of
the mid to late 1990's. You have a 1999-2002 printer depending how
long it sat around before you bought it, not too far off late 1990s.
It is 2008 now my friend. You have just helped me make my point. IQ?

On Jul 5, 9:43*am, Frank wrote:
measher****head, the oem ink drinking idiot moron POS loser wrote:

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Aren't you the same fruitcake loser who was changing everyone's post who
disagreed with you over at the printer ng? That was you wasn't it, remember?
We all complained to your ISP and you eventually stopped doing it!

Also are you the stupid idiot piece of **** who capitalized each and
every word in ever post over at the printer ng until we all complained
once again to your ISP?
Remember?

Also are you not the dumb fukkin son of a bitch piece of **** who
continues to post in HTML even thought everyone in all of the ng's
you're in has complained about it and told you to stop doing it?
Remember

Are you not the asshole who did all of that? You were weren't you!

Would you like your ISP to get so many abuse complaints about you once
again that they think they're getting DDOS, huh?

Are you really as dense and as stupid and ignorant and as fukkin dumb as
you seem to be?
Are you?
You are aren't you!

And aren't you a declared austrian fascist, an atheist and a bigot?
You did proclaim to be all of those didn't you.

Take my advice measher****head, get fukkin lost you idiot moron piece of
**** loser!
Frank

Frank, the internet is a cesspool chock full of idiots, measerkite is
nothing special. These mentally ill morons aren't easily educated. So
be patient.

wrote:

On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Michael Johnson wrote:



When it comes to printers, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know.



Then how can anyone take you serious in a printers thread?

Nobody does

measekite wrote:


wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Michael Johnson wrote:


When it comes to printers, you have probably forgotten more than I will
ever know.


Then how can anyone take you serious in a printers thread?

Nobody does

So says the village idiot.

wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Michael Johnson wrote:

When it comes to printers, you have probably forgotten more than I will
ever know.

Then how can anyone take you serious in a printers thread?

It's Usenet idiot. You can chose to do, or believe, whatever you
please. That includes coming across like an asshole which you,
obviously, have perfected to a fine art.