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All printers stink
TJ wrote: Arthur Entlich wrote: Hi Burt, There is some irony to this thread, in that I actually do agree (in part) with the statement that newer printers aren't as reliable or durable (and yet the OP still chose to argue the point with me, which is why, in part, I gave up on him). As you know, I deal with a lot of inkjet printer users, and although I am sure some of the increase demand for assistance is just the fact that with lower prices, more people are buying the technology, I do find the newer models are not as likely to survive as long and the reliability and manufacturing tolerances (or at least the amount of QC done prior to leaving the factory) is not as good as it once was. And I'm sure we hear less about them also because many people just "dump" a broken or difficult prints with the current new purchase often less than the cost of the ink cartridge set (OEM). The Canon line went through a huge redesign when the "i" printers came out, and those are considerably more reliable than the former BJ models, so Canon has a slightly different marketing curve. Art I go to visit the Vermont mountains for a couple of days, and when I get back I see the Complaint Department is still open. Sigh. They never listen, do they? I can't help but wonder, if he's had so much bad luck finding a new printer that will function for him, why doesn't he try buying an older one somewhere? And if the printers he used in the past were so good, why isn't he using them yet today? It's a conundrum. He won't listen to my experiences, since I haven't purchased a "new" printer in over 25 years. My two current printers, a Deskjet 5650 and an Officejet 6110, are of 2003 vintage. I bought the second on Ebay, and the first was stuffed in a $5 bag at a church sale. Both work fine. No paper jams, and the only reason one color cartridge gave up was that I didn't get it refilled before it ran out. They've been very reliable. But, they don't speak to his premise that "all new stuff is crap," because the designs are more than five years old. But it's a funny thing... I had older HPs with paper-handling problems, but the two newer ones never have them. And I had two Epsons that were constantly clogging, whether I used OEM or aftermarket ink. The two newer printers - not so much. I've found the newer printers to be much less trouble than the old ones. But he either won't believe me, or call me a troll and/or a liar, without telling us specifically which printers have given him trouble and why. I don't know why Michael keeps wasting his time with him. Because Junior and he are cut from the same cloth. Junior may be worse which is why he is Junior. TJ |
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Please hurry Junior
Michael Johnson wrote: You're ceasing to be entertaining. You will be back in my kill file very soon. You're too easy to target but then you are the village idiot. It is to be expected. measekite wrote: See how many times Junior will answer my posts with diatribe just like his majesty Da Jerk. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Cannot hear you Junior It is a known fact that nearly all village idiots suffer from hearing loss. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: wrote: On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote: I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap printers when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the the durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about forking over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for" ?! Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have much better things in life than returning printers each week. Life is too short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the rinkles out (again). I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all, especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past, simple things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and send it through without rinkles or completely jamming. This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems with HP lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said. We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520; i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog. Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs. Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid! The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that feature much so it hasn't been a major issue. My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical of what the average user encounters. Not really. The average user uses OEM ink. The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using compatible inks No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less than they do. Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it Right. Just like I said...You do not know. or how they made it. It is inexpensive Yes and it works like OEM ink for my needs. That is because your needs are minimal. I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in any perceptible way. It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading. I have saved thousands of dollars You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less. using high quality compatible inks Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality. and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds. That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business. Maybe you are associated with them I do not know. This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God if there is one for you and I both do not know. has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot. and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being our village idiot. I choose not to take your place You're REALLY good at it. Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up the good work! Now Now what is bothering you Junior. Nothing. The more I call you the village idiot the better it fits you. Say what you want Junior You're still our village idiot. It is now tattooed on your forehead. |
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The village idiot is still posting in HTML.
measekite wrote: Please hurry Junior Michael Johnson wrote: You're ceasing to be entertaining. You will be back in my kill file very soon. You're too easy to target but then you are the village idiot. It is to be expected. measekite wrote: See how many times Junior will answer my posts with diatribe just like his majesty Da Jerk. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Cannot hear you Junior It is a known fact that nearly all village idiots suffer from hearing loss. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: wrote: On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote: I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap printers when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the the durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about forking over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for" ?! Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have much better things in life than returning printers each week. Life is too short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the rinkles out (again). I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all, especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past, simple things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and send it through without rinkles or completely jamming. This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems with HP lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said. We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520; i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog. Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs. Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid! The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that feature much so it hasn't been a major issue. My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical of what the average user encounters. Not really. The average user uses OEM ink. The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using compatible inks No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less than they do. Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it Right. Just like I said...You do not know. or how they made it. It is inexpensive Yes and it works like OEM ink for my needs. That is because your needs are minimal. I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in any perceptible way. It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading. I have saved thousands of dollars You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less. using high quality compatible inks Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality. and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds. That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business. Maybe you are associated with them I do not know. This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God if there is one for you and I both do not know. has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot. and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being our village idiot. I choose not to take your place You're REALLY good at it. Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up the good work! Now Now what is bothering you Junior. Nothing. The more I call you the village idiot the better it fits you. Say what you want Junior You're still our village idiot. It is now tattooed on your forehead. |
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Junior is still reading HTML
Michael Johnson wrote: The village idiot is still posting in HTML. measekite wrote: Please hurry Junior Michael Johnson wrote: You're ceasing to be entertaining. You will be back in my kill file very soon. You're too easy to target but then you are the village idiot. It is to be expected. measekite wrote: See how many times Junior will answer my posts with diatribe just like his majesty Da Jerk. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Cannot hear you Junior It is a known fact that nearly all village idiots suffer from hearing loss. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: wrote: On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote: I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap printers when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the the durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about forking over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for" ?! Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have much better things in life than returning printers each week. Life is too short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the rinkles out (again). I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all, especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past, simple things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and send it through without rinkles or completely jamming. This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems with HP lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said. We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520; i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog. Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs. Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid! The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that feature much so it hasn't been a major issue. My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical of what the average user encounters. Not really. The average user uses OEM ink. The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using compatible inks No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less than they do. Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it Right. Just like I said...You do not know. or how they made it. It is inexpensive Yes and it works like OEM ink for my needs. That is because your needs are minimal. I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in any perceptible way. It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading. I have saved thousands of dollars You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less. using high quality compatible inks Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality. and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds. That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business. Maybe you are associated with them I do not know. This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God if there is one for you and I both do not know. has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot. and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being our village idiot. I choose not to take your place You're REALLY good at it. Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up the good work! Now Now what is bothering you Junior. Nothing. The more I call you the village idiot the better it fits you. Say what you want Junior You're still our village idiot. It is now tattooed on your forehead. |
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You're still our village idiot.
measekite wrote: Junior is still reading *HTML* Michael Johnson wrote: The village idiot is still posting in HTML. measekite wrote: Please hurry Junior Michael Johnson wrote: You're ceasing to be entertaining. You will be back in my kill file very soon. You're too easy to target but then you are the village idiot. It is to be expected. measekite wrote: See how many times Junior will answer my posts with diatribe just like his majesty Da Jerk. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Cannot hear you Junior It is a known fact that nearly all village idiots suffer from hearing loss. Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: measekite wrote: Michael Johnson wrote: wrote: On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote: I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap printers when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the the durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about forking over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for" ?! Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have much better things in life than returning printers each week. Life is too short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the rinkles out (again). I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all, especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past, simple things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and send it through without rinkles or completely jamming. This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems with HP lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said. We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520; i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog. Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs. Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid! The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that feature much so it hasn't been a major issue. My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical of what the average user encounters. Not really. The average user uses OEM ink. The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using compatible inks No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less than they do. Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it Right. Just like I said...You do not know. or how they made it. It is inexpensive Yes and it works like OEM ink for my needs. That is because your needs are minimal. I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in any perceptible way. It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading. I have saved thousands of dollars You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less. using high quality compatible inks Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality. and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds. That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business. Maybe you are associated with them I do not know. This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God if there is one for you and I both do not know. has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot. and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being our village idiot. I choose not to take your place You're REALLY good at it. Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up the good work! Now Now what is bothering you Junior. Nothing. The more I call you the village idiot the better it fits you. Say what you want Junior You're still our village idiot. It is now tattooed on your forehead. |
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You also love being our village idiot.
measekite wrote: I love it when you, Junior, the holy one and others go at it. wrote: On Jul 10, 9:23 pm, "Burt" wrote: Measekite's is the only other person who calls everyone a shill for non-oem inks when they post positive experiences about aftermarket products! Do I see a pattern emerging???. It already has with your two cents worth. |
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measekite wrote:
Michael Johnson wrote: wrote: On Jul 11, 9:38 am, Michael Johnson wrote: I guess this is one thing we have in common. Now an admitted troll. Congratulations, therapy is in progress. .... and you just admitted you are a troll. Damn, you can be manipulated easily. It is nice to see Junior and the wannabe go at it. The village idiot is easily entertained. |
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"Arthur Entlich" wrote in message news:WaFdk.62838$kx.20721@pd7urf3no... Hi Burt, There is some irony to this thread, in that I actually do agree (in part) with the statement that newer printers aren't as reliable or durable (and yet the OP still chose to argue the point with me, which is why, in part, I gave up on him). As you know, I deal with a lot of inkjet printer users, and although I am sure some of the increase demand for assistance is just the fact that with lower prices, more people are buying the technology, I do find the newer models are not as likely to survive as long and the reliability and manufacturing tolerances (or at least the amount of QC done prior to leaving the factory) is not as good as it once was. And I'm sure we hear less about them also because many people just "dump" a broken or difficult prints with the current new purchase often less than the cost of the ink cartridge set (OEM). The Canon line went through a huge redesign when the "i" printers came out, and those are considerably more reliable than the former BJ models, so Canon has a slightly different marketing curve. Art Art - reduced longevity and reliability as well as poorer QC from the factory can be said for many products in addition to printers. Most American car manufacturers came through years of poor quality and need for more repairs than their Japanese counterparts. BMW's, Porsches, and Mercedes also have a record of needing more repairs in spite of their high level of engineering and great drivability. The Korean cars, on the other hand, have improved their quality control and are pretty highly regarded by Consumers Union. The old "workhorse" Epson Stylus Color 800 (If I recall the number correctly) that I used for several years was pretty much indestructable. The downside was fairly frequent clogging after a few years (with the use of OEM inks only) which I was able to clear with techniques from your manual. The more recent models may be less well made and give less years of service, but they also have the benefit of newer and better technology, produce better photos, and cost considerably less. I've bought my Canon printers new but on closeout when Canon introduced new models. The last two I bought were ip5000's for $100 each - one to use and one to save as a spare which is still in its factory seale box. The ip5000 we are using has worked for nearly two years without a hiccup and it loves the Image Specialist inks I feed it. The printer models that I would expect to be the worst would be the ones that are given away free with the purchase of a camera or computer. I imagine that these are the real throw-away models in the industry. Pity the poor unsuspecting souls who actually think they got something free, only to find out the cost of the ink per cc. for these units. On the Nifty-stuff forum the participants, mostly Canon users, are holding on to their non-chipped models as long as possible. There are several who are now using the ip4500 and some ip3500 models - not expensive models by any means - and I haven't seen complaints about them other than the chip issue and resultant lack of many compatable carts. Refilling has been as easy as the unchipped units except for the loss of warranty and ink level monitor. That problem is now solved with the chip resetters that are becoming more reasonably priced. I think you are right that the QC on these units has been quite good. Burt |
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All printers stink (ALSO FRANK AND MEASEKITE STINK ALSO!!!)
YES, ALL PRINTERS STINK. HOWEVER, FRANK AND MEASEKITE STINK ALSO.
FRANKSEKITE P.S. YES, I AM THE OFFSPRING OF FRANK AND MEASEKITE |
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