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The true cost of printing ink ?
Printer Bob wrote:
Just to add that printer makers sanction only their own inks, mainly for the huge profit it brings them. It wouldn't surprise me if the printer makers didn't actually make the inks for their machines. Ink manufacture is a specialised business and has little in common with the electro mechanics of printers. There may be relatively few inkjet ink makers, making and supplying ink to the printer manufacturers to their specifications. This may also mean (shock horror, measekite!) that they could also be making much of the non oem inks that we use and love. Jim Ford |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
measekite wrote:
igfg wrote: NotMe wrote: FWIW we go trough $75+ per month of EPSON ink at OEM cost. After market $20 so we're ahead $50 per month. 12 months X 50= $600 in four years that's $2400 and that's just one studio (we have several). What is this "after market" you mention? Sorry I am not a native English speaker. That is inferior ink that is repackaged and relabeled and resold by some small vendor who will not tell you the mfg/formulator of what they are selling because it is made by some you who in china or some 3rd world place. Look at www.pcworld.com or www.pcmag.com or google whilhelm labs and read the test results. Then you will know. And beware of many in this news group who either work for or are associated with these palces and will tell you that people who believe in OEM products are dumb. Do you mean you use third party ink? If yes, of what brand? I am very interested, since you are a graphic arts studio! As to the quality of the prints, we are a graphic arts studio. Image quality is what we are about. We are far more critial in this regard than are our clients. Liar! Stop your lying! Get a life. Frank |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, "Red Fox" wrote:
Today I paid over $40 for two dinky little ink cartridges. I bet the empty cartridges cost no more than a $ or 2 to make, so why does the ink and refilling cost so much? It seems that the number of outfits refilling the cartridges is now becoming an epidemic. Maybe that will bring the price down. Could ink be bought in bulk, say in 4 or 6 oz bottles and then loaded into the cartridges when needed, or is that task a difficult one? Undoubtedly the ink has to be carefully protected from the air. Has anyone done this? TIA RF If you use a lot of ink, one option to consider is a continuous ink system. These are most suitable for printers that have "ink tanks" such as Epson and Canon models and some selected HP models. We have been selling these systems at The Ink Lab, www.theinklab.co.uk for some years and have had a very good response. We also refill cartridges and have been doing this successfully for years. Some cartridges are easier to fill than others but all produce best results if they are filled immediately they come out of the printer. I have a Lexmark Printer at home and have reilled the same cartridge about five or six times before the print head quality gets worn and the quality becomes poor. |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
Printer Bob wrote:
In reality it's the major independant printing ink manufacturers that make OEM ink for printer makers. But contracts stipulate they cannot legally sell this "branded" ink to the general public or to the aftermarket ink dealers. So they alter the formulas slightly, it's no longer "branded" ink and it becomes "aftermarket" ink. Slight change in formula (with no big name attachment) and huge savings for the general public. As I suspected. It's rather like the choice in a supermarket between branded cornflakes like Kellogs and the supermarket's own brand - both made by the same company, the difference being indistinguishable except for the price and pretty packet. Jim Ford |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
"measekite" wrote in message . net... Printer Bob wrote: "NotMe" wrote in : "igfg" | FWIW we go trough $75+ per month of EPSON ink at OEM cost. After market | $20 so we're ahead $50 per month. 12 months X 50= $600 in four | years that's $2400 and that's just one studio (we have several). | | What is this "after market" you mention? Sorry I am not a native | English speaker. Aftermarket is third party ink not sanctioned/approved by the printer manufacture. Just to add that printer makers sanction only their own inks, mainly for the huge profit it brings them. Now if you think about that statement it is really dumb. What do you think they are in business for. Of course they want to sell their own ink. It is also best. And yes the price is very expensive. | Do you mean you use third party ink? If yes, of what brand? There are no brands. The relabeler will not tell you what they are selling so you do not know the brand (mfg/formulator) | I am very interested, since you are a graphic arts studio! Not using the best materials is like screwing the customer. Suppliers vary. Right now I'm holding ink by Ridisc and G&G in my hand. Our standard printer are Epson and have been for years. We did a balance test on using OEM (original equipment) and aftermarket ink over 12 to 18 months and found little difference in the work product. Also no noticeable difference in the equipment failure rate. But I should qualify that last as a very small sample. All expenses included and assuming that the aftermarket in was somehow reducing the functionality of the printers we save, on average, ~ $2000 per year per studio. If just 1,000 people in the world saved $2,000, that would be $2,000,000 out of printer maker's hands and into ours. And yet printer makers still do not get the message to reduce the cost of ink. That is because 90% of the people are smart enough to use OEM ink because they remember why they bought the printer to print photos in the first place. Their greed is greater than their guilt. They blindly rather lose it to aftermarket suppliers than reduce the price accordingly so we wouldn't have to buy aftermarket inks. Dumb! Smart. If you look at their profits they are not losing anything. We don't print archive work product so I have no knowledge of how long this will last in the real world. We print preliminary proofs on everyday stock for the most part. We also print proofs for client approval but on better quality paper. We also require printer galley proofs and have not noticed a significant difference in what the printer sends and our client proofs. Perhaps I should mention that we calibrate our displays, our printers and coordinate these with the clients printers. But we did this with OEM ink as well as there are variations there as well. Grand kids print out tons of snap shots and so far no complaints in that department. None here either. Been printing pictures and what have you for friends for many, many years to rave reviews. They marvel at the fact that I use aftermarket inks and produce such beautiful, lasting results for a pittance. Poeple who look at their friends pictures will marvel at any snapshot but people who look at their friends photographs will not. It is like the people who used to marvel at their friends Kodak Brownie snapshots. Most have never heard of a Nikon, Leica or Canon. What part of 'we run several PROFESSIONAL graphic arts studios' did you not understand? FWIW the current crop of point and click digital cameras produce quit good quality as does a pin hole camera I made in the late '40s early 50's. Bit hard to get film but still works. |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
"measekite" wrote in message et... | | | igfg wrote: | NotMe wrote: | FWIW we go trough $75+ per month of EPSON ink at OEM cost. After | market | $20 so we're ahead $50 per month. 12 months X 50= $600 in four years | that's $2400 and that's just one studio (we have several). | | What is this "after market" you mention? Sorry I am not a native | English speaker. | | That is inferior ink that is repackaged and relabeled and resold by some | small vendor who will not tell you the mfg/formulator of what they are | selling because it is made by some you who in china or some 3rd world | place. Look at www.pcworld.com or www.pcmag.com or google whilhelm | labs and read the test results. Then you will know. And beware of many | in this news group who either work for or are associated with these | places and will tell you that people who believe in OEM products are dumb. I am in no way associate with a printer or ink manufacture. As to quality or supposed inferiority ... I can only judge by hard real world experience. Since I make my living from my imagoes I'm careful what I do and use. Again hard world experience shows the variance in after market ink is on a par with the variance in OEM ink. Few, including many professional artist can tell the difference. Which leads me to the conclusion that you, sir, are full of sh|t. |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
"measekite"
| Grand kids print out tons of snap shots and so far no complaints in that | department. | | | Now there is a market for the junk ink. And snapshots are not photographs | I'll wager my grand kids are a bit better at the process of making 'snap' shots than many would be professional photographers. BTW many of the world's best photographers used very simple mechanical cameras. It is not the tool but the quality of the artisan that makes the difference. I learned on a hand made pin hole camera. Can't get much simpler than that. The person who taught me (in the 40s/50's) had been doing the art for more than 60 years at that point. At the start of that process they made their own plates. |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
Jim Ford wrote: Printer Bob wrote: Just to add that printer makers sanction only their own inks, mainly for the huge profit it brings them. It wouldn't surprise me if the printer makers didn't actually make the inks for their machines. Ink manufacture is a specialised business and has little in common with the electro mechanics of printers. The company that did the enginneering and formulation and regulates the quality is the real manufacturer. If they do outsource it and they have control then they are the mfg. Now if they just purchase it like other supplies then that is a different story and I know for a fact that they do not do that. Not Canon, Not HP, and Not Epson. There may be relatively few inkjet ink makers, making and supplying ink to the printer manufacturers to their specifications. This may also mean (shock horror, measekite!) that they could also be making much of the non oem inks that we use and love. Jim Ford |
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The true cost of printing ink ?
The Inkman wrote: On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, "Red Fox" wrote: Today I paid over $40 for two dinky little ink cartridges. I bet the empty cartridges cost no more than a $ or 2 to make, so why does the ink and refilling cost so much? It seems that the number of outfits refilling the cartridges is now becoming an epidemic. Maybe that will bring the price down. Could ink be bought in bulk, say in 4 or 6 oz bottles and then loaded into the cartridges when needed, or is that task a difficult one? Undoubtedly the ink has to be carefully protected from the air. Has anyone done this? TIA RF If you use a lot of ink, one option to consider is a continuous ink system. These are most suitable for printers that have "ink tanks" such as Epson and Canon models and some selected HP models. We have been selling these systems at The Ink Lab, www.theinklab.co.uk for some years and have had a very good response. We also refill You do. You are a filthy rotten spammer. Smart people will not buy from a spammer. cartridges and have been doing this successfully for years. Some cartridges are easier to fill than others but all produce best results if they are filled immediately they come out of the printer. I have a Lexmark Printer at home and have reilled the same cartridge about five or six times before the print head quality gets worn and the quality becomes poor. |
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