If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:31:36 -0400, "Dave C." wrote:
....snip... ...Just refuse to buy Epson. Go HP or Canon instead. The fact that you have to use a zap-it should be enough to convince you that Epson is a company that you should NOT deal with, in any manner. -Dave Can't say anything about Canon, but HP is the brand I'd avoid altogether. Even in good old times when they actually paid attention to R&D and engineering, the abbreviation HP stood for High Price. These days the High Price part stays the same, but Carly happily outsourced engineering and R&D to India, so the quality went... If you have a clue you get the picture... Looks like the only parts of HP that stay intact are Sales, Marketing, and the airline (for Carly flying commercial is too low, corporate jet is the only befitting option). |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
snip .. Even in good old times when they actually paid attention to R&D and engineering, the abbreviation HP stood for High Price. These days the High Price part stays the same, but Carly happily outsourced engineering and R&D to India, so the quality went... If you have a clue you get the picture... Looks like the only parts of HP that stay intact are Sales, Marketing, and the airline (for Carly flying commercial is too low, corporate jet is the only befitting option). Eh, have you had a look at Bristol recently, HP seem to have a pretty big lab there next to the Uni. Did you by any chance work for HP? Mike |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
oop, just noticed this is the worldwide version and Bristol is just a dot in
the UK. "fred bloggs" wrote in message ... snip . Even in good old times when they actually paid attention to R&D and engineering, the abbreviation HP stood for High Price. These days the High Price part stays the same, but Carly happily outsourced engineering and R&D to India, so the quality went... If you have a clue you get the picture... Looks like the only parts of HP that stay intact are Sales, Marketing, and the airline (for Carly flying commercial is too low, corporate jet is the only befitting option). Eh, have you had a look at Bristol recently, HP seem to have a pretty big lab there next to the Uni. Did you by any chance work for HP? Mike |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:08:11 GMT, "
wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:31:36 -0400, "Dave C." wrote: ...snip... ...Just refuse to buy Epson. Go HP or Canon instead. The fact that you have to use a zap-it should be enough to convince you that Epson is a company that you should NOT deal with, in any manner. -Dave Can't say anything about Canon, but HP is the brand I'd avoid altogether. Even in good old times when they actually paid attention to R&D and engineering, the abbreviation HP stood for High Price. These days the High Price part stays the same, but Carly happily outsourced engineering and R&D to India, so the quality went... If you have a clue you get the picture... Looks like the only parts of HP that stay intact are Sales, Marketing, and the airline (for Carly flying commercial is too low, corporate jet is the only befitting option). Canon makes some very good printers, especially for printing text. Just beware of the model that have the same dpi specs as the epsons, they're running epson print engines under the hood.( 1140x720 dpi etc...) |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
Canon makes some very good printers, especially for printing text.
Just beware of the model that have the same dpi specs as the epsons, they're running epson print engines under the hood.( 1140x720 dpi etc...) Do you have a source for that? If it's true, I'll have to cross Canon off my list entirely. But I suspect you are mistaken, as Epson and Canon are direct competitors. Canon has been making their own bubble-jets so long, it doesn't make sense that they would need to borrow inferior technology from Epson. -Dave |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:07:01 -0400, "Dave C." wrote:
Do you have a source for that? If it's true, I'll have to cross Canon off my list entirely. But I suspect you are mistaken, as Epson and Canon are direct competitors. Canon has been making their own bubble-jets so long, it doesn't make sense that they would need to borrow inferior technology from Epson. -Dave Canon makes the engine for at least one other brand of laser printers so I doubt they would outsource their bubble jet design. While I know bubble jet != laser, but logically it doesn't make sense for them to be doing that, would it? -- L.Angel: I'm looking for web design work. If you need basic to med complexity webpages at affordable rates, email me Standard HTML, SHTML, MySQL + PHP or ASP, Javascript. If you really want, FrontPage & DreamWeaver too. But keep in mind you pay extra bandwidth for their bloated code |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:06:05 -0400, Stacey wrote:
Just a heads up, I'm never going to use/buy another epson printer after this experience. *snipped* Epson doesn't measure the ink levels, the "estimate" how much ink is left by how many pages are printed and shuts down the printer after this many pages no matter how much ink is left. First the black "ran out" so I bought Oh yes, I got ripped off too. Bought an Epson laser because it was affordable with good spec. I've regretted it ever since. The printout sucks (a fresh toner has banding printing the same stuff as my old HP on half worn out toner), the printer also refuses to print despite there being obviously still plenty of toner (the last print out is still dark and all). The toner is expensive too! I'm not sure how my friend solved it but he came over to my place a few weeks back, fiddled with stuff and the Epson's printing now. Though I just noticed that the Epson software that used to pop up is now missing :P But according to another friend who works in one of them printer companies, he said the estimation vs actual ink/toner level is to achieve consistent quality of print. Personally, I think it's just crap to force us to buy new ink/toner. I'm not running a publishing house at home and if I want to print draft and misc stuff until I can barely see the print, it's MY problem. The HP will happily allow me to do that. My next buy is definitely going back to HP or Canon since it's basically the same thing at mainstream consumer level. -- L.Angel: I'm looking for web design work. If you need basic to med complexity webpages at affordable rates, email me Standard HTML, SHTML, MySQL + PHP or ASP, Javascript. If you really want, FrontPage & DreamWeaver too. But keep in mind you pay extra bandwidth for their bloated code |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
The little lost angel wrote:
Personally, I think it's just crap to force us to buy new ink/toner. I'm not running a publishing house at home and if I want to print draft and misc stuff until I can barely see the print, it's MY problem. Exactly, a bunch of stuff I print isn't important and I like to adjust the printer driver (easy to do in linux) so it uses very little ink per page. Of course with epson I still get to buy ink like every page was "photo quality"! -- Stacey |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:23:36 GMT,
(The little lost angel) wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:07:01 -0400, "Dave C." wrote: Do you have a source for that? If it's true, I'll have to cross Canon off my list entirely. But I suspect you are mistaken, as Epson and Canon are direct competitors. Canon has been making their own bubble-jets so long, it doesn't make sense that they would need to borrow inferior technology from Epson. -Dave Canon makes the engine for at least one other brand of laser printers so I doubt they would outsource their bubble jet design. In the 80s/90s, at least HP and Apple used Canon laser engines. Probably some of the smaller brand printers did. While I know bubble jet != laser, but logically it doesn't make sense for them to be doing that, would it? Not at all, since an inkjet is pretty simple mechanically. On a side note, I do know of printer manufacturers that used similar technology to bigger ones. I for one have a Citizen printer (I think actually and Olivetti or some European based brand), whose head technology was close enough to HPs that an HP 26 cart would fit with a slight modification to the cart, and disabling the in built ink monitor. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Epson "ink is low" ripoff
Stacey wrote:
The little lost angel wrote: Personally, I think it's just crap to force us to buy new ink/toner. I'm not running a publishing house at home and if I want to print draft and misc stuff until I can barely see the print, it's MY problem. Exactly, a bunch of stuff I print isn't important and I like to adjust the printer driver (easy to do in linux) so it uses very little ink per page. Of course with epson I still get to buy ink like every page was "photo quality"! I found the best way to save on black ink, when you're only doing text. Set the level so light that it's darned near white... ....and print on black paper, for good contrast! -- Blinky Linux Registered User 297263 New June 23: Linux In 20 Steps: (at Blinkynet) http://snipurl.com/7amq |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Epson printers are electronic theieves | Dr. Dweeb | Printers | 149 | November 14th 05 02:43 PM |
Epson admits that using their tanks will void your warranty! | Miss Perspicacia Tick | Printers | 87 | May 19th 05 03:34 PM |
The woe of Epson (C62): | Davy | Printers | 53 | May 11th 05 06:52 PM |
Epson "ink is low" ripoff | Capt Ron | General | 24 | September 24th 04 04:58 AM |
Epson "ink is low" ripoff | David Besack | Homebuilt PC's | 2 | June 25th 04 01:51 PM |