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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:39:13 -0800
Bill wrote: In article , lid says... On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:22:27 GMT snip you keep asserting over and over that any socket A chip can be used in any Socket A board, and it simply ain't so. snip Do you have some examples of a socket A board that won't work with any socket A processor? Try putting a Barton or Thorton in a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. Bill -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:26:49 -0500, J.Clarke wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:22:27 GMT Wes Newell wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:13:08 -0500, J.Clarke wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:10:58 GMT Wes Newell wrote: Why? Who told you you couldn't? That's what abit told me too. Does it have at least a 50MHz FSB? If it does (and they didnt make any socket A boards any slower than 100MHz) it should be able to run any socket A cpu made. You just have to know how, and get the right one if you want it to be easy. What board and chipset do you board have? See link below. That's like saying "if you want to become a billionaire you just have to know how". The "knowing how" is the catch. I note that you're real big on "anything can be done" but not very strong on "here's how to do it" except for the one or two boards with which you have personal experience. WTF is your problem John. My problem is that your little fantasy doesn't pass reality check--you keep asserting over and over that any socket A chip can be used in any Socket A board, and it simply ain't so. You may _believe_ it is, but that just means that you haven't encountered a board that won't allow it. Well, if they have a socket A, then they have an Athlon chipset, so why don't you enlighten everyone and specify which chipet won't support an XP cpu. All the ones I know of will, including all AMD, VIA, SIS, Nvidia, and even Ali. It's obvious I don't have all these, but from the specs of the chipsets, and the specs on the cpu's, they should all work in any properly designed board. And since I don't know which board he has, how the hell do you expect me to tell him how to do it. I've never seen you tell _anybody_ how to do it. And if you don't know what motherboard he has, how do you know that it will work? If you had read my reply more carefully you might have noticed where I asked him which MB and chipset he had. Without that I could only give him the basics. As for telling people how to do it, just look at my web site. And if you've never seen me tell anyone how to do it, you're blind. I've done so in several NG's, not to mention the more than 100 emails I recieved and answered. I only did the website because I was tired of repeating myself every day. I've probably posted 500 messages on how to do it. Also, the link below applies to most boards, not just the ONE I have. The link mentions specifically the KT133. It doesn't say anything at all about any other chipset except the KT133A, and it doesn't mention any brand of board but Abit. While the techniques described very likely will work with many other boards and chipsets, that doesn't mean that they will work for every board and every chipset. I see you didn't read the website very good either. I used references to the KT133 chipset in a couple of places, but in others there is no chipset even mentioned. There's no chipset even mention in the Tbred info, nor in the original part of the multiplier cross reference. But if you don't like my website, well.... Yes, there's a few that have had problems, but this proves mostly, if not entirely, to be from the lack of understanding of the invidual. Uh huh. When you can't figure out how to make it work blame the other guy. BS. I'm not where they are. I can only tell them what they need to do. i can't do it for them. Nor do I owe anyone anything. Just this week someone said a 2400+ wouldn't work in their board (KT7A). I told them again that it would and they weren't doing something right. Gues what, he got it working (had a ram that wouldn't do 133Mhz). Perhaps you can reach through time and space to cure these peoples problems, but I'm only human and can only give them the knowledge that it will work, done properly. Too many are are too quick to give up when it doesn't work the first time they try. So unless you have a crystal ball and can tell this guy how to do it, why not just keep your ****ing insults to yourself. I was just pointing out that he has other options than to replace his board. He has some things that he can try, with no guarantee that they'll work. If it's done right it will work. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:26:28 -0500, J.Clarke wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:39:13 -0800 Bill wrote: Do you have some examples of a socket A board that won't work with any socket A processor? Try putting a Barton or Thorton in a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. Was Skids answer to this recently not to your liking? I didn't bother to reply. And don't intend to. "J.Clarke" wrote in message d... OK, Wes, since you claim that a Barton will run on any chipset, how do I get a Barton to run on a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus? I'm not Wes, but if you'll search the Soyo forum at http://forums.amdmb.com/ you'll see that a number of people are successfully running Bartons on that board. Apparently the 3000+ is the best bet to run at or near its rated speed. Some of them are using modified bios files and cap mods to increase the odds of success. Can't vouch for any of it personally, but I found lots of folks who say it can be done. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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In article ,
lid says... On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:39:13 -0800 Bill wrote: In article , lid says... On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:22:27 GMT snip you keep asserting over and over that any socket A chip can be used in any Socket A board, and it simply ain't so. snip Do you have some examples of a socket A board that won't work with any socket A processor? Try putting a Barton or Thorton in a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. Bill A Google search: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 &threadm=94f3db7e.0308150938.3e658236% 40posting.google.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSoyo%2BK7V% 2BDragon%2BPlus%2Bbarton%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3D UTF-8% 26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D94f3db7e.0308150938.3e658236% 2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D4 http://tinyurl.com/269eh did turn up a guy that said Bartons would run on the board after modding it: "For info on what mods are needed on the D+ boards go to: http://www.amdforums.com/showthread.php?s= 99dfb629bcba630b5d99232daee1aa32&threadid=193409 and read thru the posts. Yes, the Barton chips work on the D+ boards after the mods are done. However, only the 3000+ makes any sense because the other 2 Barton chips don't allow for the higher multiplier values to be used unless you do the wire/pin trick on the cpu itself. If your interested in more info on running a Barton chip, email me and I will send you info. Andy" http://tinyurl.com/27lzw his amdforum ref. I admit that's a lot more work than I would put into it. Especially since you'd probably have to mod the multipliers on the cpu also. Do you have knowledge of any that will flat not work at all? Such as, voltage/current requirements that the board can't meet, and/or modding it to meet the Barton/Thornton requirements would be prohibitively expensive say, more than the cost of a newboard ? Bill |
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Guys, calm down I am amazed at all the fuss I have caused over my intentions
to upgrade my motherboard, the model is by the way the Jetway 8363-686A with the VIA KT/133/A chipset and the Athlon M4(Thunderbird) 650-1.4G CPU. I was assured that I could not upgrade further than a 1.4 gig processor. Obviously you people know more than I do so further advice is welcome. CWebb "RJW" wrote in message ... "CW" wrote in message ... Thanks for all the info from everyone, I have since discovered I need a PSU rated at least at 431Watts. I think I shall just replace the PSU (along with the motherboard and CPU) although a couple of the leads from the case (not the PSU) to the motherboard look a bit daunting to re-attach to my new motherboard. Did consider not replacing the motherboard but cannot upgrade the CPU on it. Colin Webb Any leads (speaker, power, reset, etc.) from the case to the existing mobo should be carefully documented BEFORE detaching them. Your new mobo will have instructions on where these leads connect. Check them carefully before powering up. |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 08:13:21 GMT
Wes Newell wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:26:49 -0500, J.Clarke wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:22:27 GMT Wes Newell wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:13:08 -0500, J.Clarke wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:10:58 GMT Wes Newell wrote: Why? Who told you you couldn't? That's what abit told me too. Does it have at least a 50MHz FSB? If it does (and they didnt make any socket A boards any slower than 100MHz) it should be able to run any socket A cpu made. You just have to know how, and get the right one if you want it to be easy. What board and chipset do you board have? See link below. That's like saying "if you want to become a billionaire you just have to know how". The "knowing how" is the catch. I note that you're real big on "anything can be done" but not very strong on "here's how to do it" except for the one or two boards with which you have personal experience. WTF is your problem John. My problem is that your little fantasy doesn't pass reality check--you keep asserting over and over that any socket A chip can be used in any Socket A board, and it simply ain't so. You may _believe_ it is, but that just means that you haven't encountered a board that won't allow it. Well, if they have a socket A, then they have an Athlon chipset, so why don't you enlighten everyone and specify which chipet won't support an XP cpu. All the ones I know of will, including all AMD, VIA, SIS, Nvidia, and even Ali. It's obvious I don't have all these, but from the specs of the chipsets, and the specs on the cpu's, they should all work in any properly designed board. You're assuming that the chipset is the only issue. It's not, the BIOS is also an issue. You're also assuming that all boards meet your standard of "properly designed". And since I don't know which board he has, how the hell do you expect me to tell him how to do it. I've never seen you tell _anybody_ how to do it. And if you don't know what motherboard he has, how do you know that it will work? If you had read my reply more carefully you might have noticed where I asked him which MB and chipset he had. Without that I could only give him the basics. As for telling people how to do it, just look at my web site. I've seen it, and it has some general comments that one can find elsewhere but no specifics for any board but the one that you have. And if you've never seen me tell anyone how to do it, you're blind. I've done so in several NG's, Perhaps you have, when I have nothing better to do I'll look this up. not to mention the more than 100 emails I recieved and answered. Alas, I have neglected to hack your machine so as to read your emails. I only did the website because I was tired of repeating myself every day. I've probably posted 500 messages on how to do it. Also, the link below applies to most boards, not just the ONE I have. The link mentions specifically the KT133. It doesn't say anything at all about any other chipset except the KT133A, and it doesn't mention any brand of board but Abit. While the techniques described very likely will work with many other boards and chipsets, that doesn't mean that they will work for every board and every chipset. I see you didn't read the website very good either. I used references to the KT133 chipset in a couple of places, but in others there is no chipset even mentioned. There's no chipset even mention in the Tbred info, nor in the original part of the multiplier cross reference. But if you don't like my website, well.... And the Tbred info and the multiplier cross reference and so on are very handy once you get the thing to run at all, but they don't tell you how to make it run, just how to make it faster. Yes, there's a few that have had problems, but this proves mostly, if not entirely, to be from the lack of understanding of the invidual. Uh huh. When you can't figure out how to make it work blame the other guy. BS. I'm not where they are. I can only tell them what they need to do. i can't do it for them. Nor do I owe anyone anything. Just this week someone said a 2400+ wouldn't work in their board (KT7A). I told them again that it would and they weren't doing something right. Gues what, he got it working (had a ram that wouldn't do 133Mhz). Perhaps you can reach through time and space to cure these peoples problems, but I'm only human and can only give them the knowledge that it will work, done properly. Too many are are too quick to give up when it doesn't work the first time they try. So unless you have a crystal ball and can tell this guy how to do it, why not just keep your ****ing insults to yourself. I was just pointing out that he has other options than to replace his board. He has some things that he can try, with no guarantee that they'll work. If it's done right it will work. That's a tautology--it's true but meaningless. The issue is that "done right" may involve a good deal of reverse-engineering. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:51:39 -0800
Bill wrote: In article , lid says... On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:39:13 -0800 Bill wrote: In article , lid says... On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:22:27 GMT snip you keep asserting over and over that any socket A chip can be used in any Socket A board, and it simply ain't so. snip Do you have some examples of a socket A board that won't work with any socket A processor? Try putting a Barton or Thorton in a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. Bill A Google search: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 &threadm=94f3db7e.0308150938.3e658236% 40posting.google.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSoyo%2BK7V% 2BDragon%2BPlus%2Bbarton%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3D UTF-8% 26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D94f3db7e.0308150938.3e658236% 2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D4 http://tinyurl.com/269eh did turn up a guy that said Bartons would run on the board after modding it: "For info on what mods are needed on the D+ boards go to: http://www.amdforums.com/showthread.php?s= 99dfb629bcba630b5d99232daee1aa32&threadid=193409 and read thru the posts. Yes, the Barton chips work on the D+ boards after the mods are done. However, only the 3000+ makes any sense because the other 2 Barton chips don't allow for the higher multiplier values to be used unless you do the wire/pin trick on the cpu itself. If your interested in more info on running a Barton chip, email me and I will send you info. Andy" http://tinyurl.com/27lzw his amdforum ref. I admit that's a lot more work than I would put into it. Especially since you'd probably have to mod the multipliers on the cpu also. Do you have knowledge of any that will flat not work at all? Such as, voltage/current requirements that the board can't meet, and/or modding it to meet the Barton/Thornton requirements would be prohibitively expensive say, more than the cost of a newboard ? Thanks for that information--I knew if I ****ed enough people off somebody would come up with an answer if there was one. Now, let's see what kind of capacitors I've got in the junk box . . . Bill -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 08:21:24 GMT
Wes Newell wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:26:28 -0500, J.Clarke wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:39:13 -0800 Bill wrote: Do you have some examples of a socket A board that won't work with any socket A processor? Try putting a Barton or Thorton in a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus. Was Skids answer to this recently not to your liking? I didn't bother to reply. And don't intend to. I have no idea who "Skid" is or where he answered. But your "I didn't bother to reply and I don't intend to" shows the problem with your attitude. So it looks like the D+ can be modded, however there's a good chance that anybody who tries it as his first-time electronics project is going to kill the board dead. But you never put caveats like _that_ in either, unlike the guy who actually came up with the mod. "J.Clarke" wrote in message d... OK, Wes, since you claim that a Barton will run on any chipset, how do I get a Barton to run on a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus? I'm not Wes, Then why are you using his account? but if you'll search the Soyo forum at http://forums.amdmb.com/ you'll see that a number of people are successfully running Bartons on that board. Apparently the 3000+ is the best bet to run at or near its rated speed. Some of them are using modified bios files and cap mods to increase the odds of success. Can't vouch for any of it personally, but I found lots of folks who say it can be done. Goody. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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