MS Mouse Replacement

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017, Paul wrote:

Bill wrote:
SC Tom wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
news SC Tom wrote:
Well, I found one I like. It's a Logitech M705:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TG75EG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


The few times I've tried wireless mice, I experienced "lag" so I've stuck
with corded mice.
It's been a few years. Are corded mice faster (to an amount someone
could discern?).
Thanks,
Bill

I've never noticed any lag, even when play an FPS game, but then it's been
years since I've used a corded mouse.
Some mice have a "sleep" feature to help extend battery life; I find that
annoying.

Yes, I went and did some "research" after I made my post. The sleep feature
was mentioned. Another concern (to me) would be the compatibility of the
mouse with Linux, or during a new installation of Windows. I don't think
I'm going to give up my cord just yet.

If the nano-receiver of a wireless mouse shows up as a "USB HID",
it should be OS agnostic.

Serial (RS232) mice are different. They even work in Win10. But
on Linux, I think only Puppy would use one. The other distros always use
my USB mouse, and ignore the serial port as a potential serial mouse
source.

Surely in the early days Linux might have been able to handle serial mice.
It was a time when things were still solidifying. But likely the code has
been removed from the 'standard" kernel, since nobody uses serial mice
these days, it's either PS/2 or USB.

Michael

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:52 -0500, Larc
wrote:

I recently bought my first cordless mouse (Logitech M510) and am surprised how much I
like it. There's a very tiny lag when I start using the scroll wheel, but I don't
notice any at all with the pointer. The biggest difference for me is the increased
weight. At a little over 4 1/2 oz., it's about double the weight of the corded mouse
I was using. The plus with that is I could increase the pointer speed without
feeling it's too fast.

Got an old one after wearing out another, even older, RF Logitech (w/
scroll wheel). Easy six or more years use between the two. The old
wired USB receiver (receiver portion has to be in direct line of sight
and not too far away), and that's still needed for the first matching
keyboard (a paired set that came with that wore-out mouse), whereas
this mouse is updated to Logitech "unified" receiver on a USB stick.
Thankfully the two USB receivers don't conflict. Neither a CAD mouse,
as you say, and the scroll on mine is actually a nifty tiny area
that's a touch-pad. The mechanical wheel is more precise, but I also
like the touch-pad concept. Tough and rugged little rodents, both;-
also very happy with their sponge keyboard for what it is, casual use.

Logitech for a serious desktop trackball, (I also need trackballs to
be ambidextrous), I prefer over any mouse any day -- is totally the
craps. Logitech can't make trackball switches that lasts to save
their life.

Bad news, so I bought a Kensington's trackball. Have a hunch after a
couple years regular use with it, that it will be a lasting relation.
(Hell, this mechanical, blue or brown, heavy-key-switched FOCUS
keyboard is going on 20-years-old.)

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017, Flasherly wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:52 -0500, Larc
wrote:

I recently bought my first cordless mouse (Logitech M510) and am surprised how much I
like it. There's a very tiny lag when I start using the scroll wheel, but I don't
notice any at all with the pointer. The biggest difference for me is the increased
weight. At a little over 4 1/2 oz., it's about double the weight of the corded mouse
I was using. The plus with that is I could increase the pointer speed without
feeling it's too fast.

Got an old one after wearing out another, even older, RF Logitech (w/
scroll wheel). Easy six or more years use between the two. The old
wired USB receiver (receiver portion has to be in direct line of sight
and not too far away), and that's still needed for the first matching
keyboard (a paired set that came with that wore-out mouse), whereas
this mouse is updated to Logitech "unified" receiver on a USB stick.
Thankfully the two USB receivers don't conflict. Neither a CAD mouse,
as you say, and the scroll on mine is actually a nifty tiny area
that's a touch-pad. The mechanical wheel is more precise, but I also
like the touch-pad concept. Tough and rugged little rodents, both;-
also very happy with their sponge keyboard for what it is, casual use.

Logitech for a serious desktop trackball, (I also need trackballs to
be ambidextrous), I prefer over any mouse any day -- is totally the
craps. Logitech can't make trackball switches that lasts to save
their life.

I haven't looked, but I can't help but wonder why they use different
switches in the trackball than the mouse. If my new trackball develops
the problem, I'll be opening up a Logitech mouse to see if the switch is
physically the same, and then do a transplant.

Michael

On 2/27/2017 1:27 PM, Flasherly wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:52 -0500, Larc
wrote:

I recently bought my first cordless mouse (Logitech M510) and am surprised how much I
like it. There's a very tiny lag when I start using the scroll wheel, but I don't
notice any at all with the pointer. The biggest difference for me is the increased
weight. At a little over 4 1/2 oz., it's about double the weight of the corded mouse
I was using. The plus with that is I could increase the pointer speed without
feeling it's too fast.
Got an old one after wearing out another, even older, RF Logitech (w/
scroll wheel). Easy six or more years use between the two. The old
wired USB receiver (receiver portion has to be in direct line of sight
and not too far away), and that's still needed for the first matching
keyboard (a paired set that came with that wore-out mouse), whereas
this mouse is updated to Logitech "unified" receiver on a USB stick.
Thankfully the two USB receivers don't conflict. Neither a CAD mouse,
as you say, and the scroll on mine is actually a nifty tiny area
that's a touch-pad. The mechanical wheel is more precise, but I also
like the touch-pad concept. Tough and rugged little rodents, both;-
also very happy with their sponge keyboard for what it is, casual use.

Logitech for a serious desktop trackball, (I also need trackballs to
be ambidextrous), I prefer over any mouse any day -- is totally the
craps. Logitech can't make trackball switches that lasts to save
their life.

Bad news, so I bought a Kensington's trackball. Have a hunch after a
couple years regular use with it, that it will be a lasting relation.
(Hell, this mechanical, blue or brown, heavy-key-switched FOCUS
keyboard is going on 20-years-old.)

Been using Kensington Trackballs for many, many ears now. I currently
use the SlimBlade Trackball at home and at the office, have had them for
about eight years now. I won't use any other mouse.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:42:55 -0500, Michael Black
wrote:

I haven't looked, but I can't help but wonder why they use different
switches in the trackball than the mouse. If my new trackball develops
the problem, I'll be opening up a Logitech mouse to see if the switch is
physically the same, and then do a transplant.

Michael

I wonder. I've three of them, TrackMans, variously functioning or
faulty. And I tried that -- better luck to you. So has Paul unless
I'm mistaken. Their four-button design I do miss -- good working
software for the most to assign regular Windows' macro/keyboard
shortcuts to those extra two keys. Anyway, there's the dexterity of
switching out good switches from one, mounting them in failed
positions -- the other factor, I'm thinking, is actual tolerances
given the design as the plastic may wear and no longer fit within
them, compounding a viable fix.

Think I'd rather stick to changing out button batteries for my beloved
all-metal strap and case Casio, an oddball but discontinued model in
their Atomic WaveCeptor series. I've even fixed errant miniscule CPU
springs misaligned to Intel's LGA. Writing haiku on a rice kernel,
though, or fixing a Logitech you can have.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:05:32 -0500, PAS wrote:

Been using Kensington Trackballs for many, many ears now. I currently
use the SlimBlade Trackball at home and at the office, have had them for
about eight years now. I won't use any other mouse.

Classy or definitely -ier. I settled on a basic Orbit. The scroll
ring around the "orb" is a clever concept. Don't believe it was much
if it all more than a TrackMan, around $20. SlimBlade tended to be
substantially more, as I recall holding its value nearer $60;...
Perhaps at $40, although I thought to stick with a basic Orb for my
first exposure to a Kensington.

Software wasn't exactly seamless -- just expected. I'd run into a few
reviews reflecting that, and now am less sure, offhand, how much of a
pain it could be to have spent the extra if problematically attempting
accessing the drivers for full four-button functionality.

The Orbit is otherwise just peachy for a 'go with the flow' generic
solution. Recognized for a pointing device, the basic needs are there
in the OS, sensitivity and swapping the buttons, as I prefer, to
left-handed usage.

Can't even recall now what the extra Logitech button was assigned to
-- possibly an Escape;- the other 4th button was ungainly and for me
an awkward hand contortion. Whatever. I'm happy enough with Kingston
and expect it to hold up a lot longer than several Logitechs, which
broke regularly from two-years' wear&tear.