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Default ATI chipset + ATI GPU _or_ nForce chipset + nVidia GPU -- Which combination performs better?

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:04:22 -0500, "Tony DiMarzio"
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Shill? Look I know it's much more "cool" to criticize than to compliment,
but, credit where credit's due, sport. There is absolutely no empirical
data
to show that your "certain n company"'s drivers are in any way "better"
than
ATI's. Any claims to the contrary are at best anecdotal and incidental and
at worse flat out lies.


Nope, at best they're generous.
ATI doesn't give a damn about their customers. I've had
over a dozen servers that can't even uninstall ATI's driver
because their driver was broken and they were too apathetic
to bother fixing it. They take a "tough luck, buy our next
product and everything will be wonderful" attitude. It gets
old after a while.


Given the path that this discussion has gone so far, I'm much more inclined
to believe that it was your lack of experience that caused you grief in
uninstalling the ATI drivers. Fact of the matter is that ATI includes a
driver uninstaller which has never failed once for me on any of my machines.
Coincidence?


X1900XT has decent, even very good performnace. It has to
use ATI drivers though, and in a few months it won't be
fastest anymore. Coupling it with a particluar motherboard
is just silly.


Yes, normally ATI cards DO use ATI drivers. Your point? Or was that
another
implied "ATI drivers are the debil!" comment?



You know my point was that ATI's drivers are the weak link.
You knew it all along too, because there have been plenty of
people over the years commenting about it.


Yes, and likewise about drivers for NVidia cards. That would be the main
reason for these news groups - to post about issues they are having with
their hardware and or software. Oh, I forgot... NVidia has never had any
driver problems. My mistake.

In a few months nothing will
be "fastest" any more. That's the name of the game. So if you're referring
to G71, then _assuming_ it does surpass X1900XTX, then expect a crown time
of no more than 6 months. "Coupling it with a particular motherboard is
just
silly" ? Uh, silly to use an NForce mobo with high end NVidia cards or
vice
versa?


Yes. But even more specifically I meant what was replied
to, a PARTICULAR motherboard, moreso than a particular
chipset. You do understand the difference?


Yes I do understand the difference. But do you understand that a motherboard
chipset is worthless without an accompanying, well featured motherboard? All
reviews out there suggest that the A8R-MVP is the best ATI crossfire chipset
motherboard on the market, which is why I recommended it.




If you're gonna be brand loyal then be brand loyal. Nothing wrong with
that.

Actually yes there is something wrong with that when your
loyality causes you to see the world through colored
glasses. Products should be chosen in their merits, not
their brand, and also recognized to have faults. That you
don't care about a fault or don't see it in a particular
application is no consolation to another user who has
different hardware or application needs.


Brand loyalty is a necessary component of the capitalistic model.


No, it's for the brain-dead.


I'll keep that in mind.

It's the
natural result of positive experiences by the buyer


Nope, it's what happens when one has insufficient experience
to make a proper evaluation of the alternatives.


In some situations, that may be the case. However, when one does have
sufficient experience to make a proper evaluation of the alternatives, and
the alternatives are for all intents and purposes equally matched, it is
used to make the final decision between product A and product B.

and is the reward to the
seller for offering good products/services.


Maybe in your fairy-tale world.
When I buy a product, their "reward" is my payment for that
product. If they make another product I want, their reward
is again payment for that 2nd product, and so on. You are
describing a fanboy.


No I'm describing an element of capitalism. The term "fanboy" implies
reckless and ungrounded admiration for a product simply because they own it.
A fanboy makes uncalculated purchasing decisions based on popular opinion
and stubborn bias, not previous experience with the brand/product.

Basically, there's nothing
inherently wrong with it.


LOL. You must be joking.
Yeah let's just ignore reality and pretend the grass we're
sitting on is always greenest. Sorry but that's no good.


getting bored now.

However, and like you said, "when it causes you to
see the world through colored glasses" then there is something wrong with
it. Now, please explain to me how I'm looking at the world through colored
glasses.


It wouldn't do any good because you see no problem with
being irrational.


Or because you have nothing to offer to support your claim.

We're not talking about standing behind a inferior product.


Only because we includes you. A product comprised of both
hardware and software can fail on either front. If you like
the hardware enough to put up with the software, that's
fine, it's your money. That doesn't begain to mean another
person couldn't have a different priority, particularly if
they weren't trying to buy among the fastest video card at
any given moment but rather, the majority of the market.

We're
talking a company that currently has the fastest and most complex consumer
3D acceleration hardware in the world and that has consistently been toe
to
toe with it's largest competitor. This is Honda vs Toyota, not Pontiac vs
BMW.


Yes you are oblivious to anything but "fastest", it would
seem, else you wouldn't be making it a primary point here.

It could definitely be like comparing Pontiac to BMW, that
GM merely shoehorned a monsterous engine in a Sunbird so it
has a great 0-60 time. Granted, it's not that ATI is lower
quality than, oh take Sis for example, but being a fanboy
doesn't begin to make them any better by will alone.


Comparing ATI to SiS now? LOL. Sorry, but you've just deposited your last
credibilty token.

Tony