wrote:
https://documentation.help/Creative-...umentation.pdf

PDF 83 of 93.

7.1 setup, two of the Lineout connectors have a total of *four* contacts.
This requires adapter cables when connected to "ordinary" equipment.

The adapter cable has Gray and Orange on one end, and *three* stereo
females on the other end of the cable assembly.

LineOut1 Green Tip Front Left === Ordinary 1/8" cabling
Ring Front Right
Sleeve Ground

Lineout2 Gray T Rear Left === Special 1/8" TRRS
R Rear Right
R Ground
S Side Right

Lineout3 Orange T Center === Special 1/8" TRRS
R Subwoofer
R Ground
S Side left

I googled TRRS, not familiar with this it turns up this site which is interesting:

https://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/u...d-audio-jacks/

No, they don't give a part number.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130627...udio_cable.jpg

So are you saying these cables of creative labs are slightly different than standard TRRS cables...

Cause you did use the word "special" and such...

Though the ordinary one actually seems different... from the page 83...

I still have the original cable that went into the gigaworks so could compare with that... but probably already did in the past but might do so again.

But anyway the cables I currently have are working ok, to some degree at least.

Also it doesn't make any sense... cause 7 8 9 10 is working perfectly and 11 12 13 14 is working incorrectly.

Also 4, 5, 6 is working correctly.

Tested this with goldwave.

So if you believe lineout 2 and lineout 3 in your drawing are exactly the same kind of "special trrs" then you have to agree with me that this is simply not the problem since one is working correctly and the other one is not working correctly.

This I hope you now believe me a little bit more when I say it's a bug in the driver or a bug in windows... or a very strange bug in denon receiver.

(
If you disagree I would love to hear your hypothesis why lineout 2 is working correctly and lineout 3 is not working correctly with current trrs cables ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?
)

The speaker connection wizard of creative x-fi of original cd is further proof that somehow creative is messing out this third connection on lineout 3.

It is described in the wizard as "rear center" instead of "side left".

So how you explain that ?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-TRRS-3...e/163264363750

???? why is this needed ? These cables already exist ? Just to make your own ? hmmm..

I'm not sure the "mis-connections" possible with those
jacks, account for your channel mixup. But it's a common
complaint with Creative stuff. You *have* to be careful!!!

As soon as you say "Creative", I think back to those
stinking cables and what a nuisance they are.

I don't think it's a problem with the cables themselfes...

It's a bug somewhere... not the cables... =D

Also thx setup will eventually be able to correct it.

Unless somehow internally these connectors re-wire stuff in a weird way.

Bye,
Skybuck.


The definition could change according to the channel definition.

I'm not going to try to debug your setup at this distance.

You should know that some sound cards have a "swap center/sub"
tick box and that will change the center and subwoofer contacts.
This helps when a stereo system has center and subwoofer "mis-wired".

There is one other swapping tick box I forget, but it's less
common than the tick box for changing center with subwoofer.

So in addition to the basic signal assignments, there can be
one, or in rare cases, two tick boxes that modify the signal
assignments. These tick boxes exist, so yet more adapters
are not needed to correct the wiring.

The four contact connector type allows Creative to put
7.1 channels on just three jacks. Versus the more logical
assignment of 7.1 channels on four jacks. And this makes it
easier to make a low profile card version of some of the
cards. But I don't approve of the practice, because
hardly any customer finds out about the issue until they've
had trouble. And that's not a good way to make products.

If you go to the computer store, some of the older staff will
be familiar with this issue. They won't have the cable assembly
for sale, to convert to four 1/8" TRS connectors, but at least
someone at the store will have heard of it. I'm surprised I
can't see a part number in Google right now.

And the purpose of the conversion cable, is so you can "pick up"
the Side Left and Side Right signals. And those are to be placed
on their own 1/8" connection of some sort. But the other reason
for using the cable, is to make sure a TRS plug isn't touching
the wrong contacts on the TRRS jack.

I have a product with a male 1/8" TRRS on the end, and I had to make
a mess of it, to connect it to my equipment here. I had to make
a home brew adapter. The microphone has a conventional electret
as well as an amplifier chip. And the fourth contact on the microphone
carries +5V from the computer. I run the microphone off a 5V wall
adapter instead. The microphone gets plugged into LineIn, because
the output signal is line level. The microphone is nice, in that
it is sensitive, and all the rest of my microphones here don't
work well enough to use for anything. That's the only working
microphone I've got. At the time I fixed up the microphone,
I couldn't find any TRRS parts to use, to do a nice job
of making the adapter. They aren't sold locally. I can only
get soldertail TRS here (the most common kind).

Paul